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lioncity_esangha_crashed or hacked?
Hello! I am sorry to start so directly, but any of you is a member of e-sangha (lioncity.net)? Do you know what is happening with the site?
It seems like it crashed or maybe attacked by hackers....just hope that it was a normal crash, but when i try to acess, explorer will say that its dangerous to enter on lioncity main domain...
It seems like it crashed or maybe attacked by hackers....just hope that it was a normal crash, but when i try to acess, explorer will say that its dangerous to enter on lioncity main domain...
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~nomad
Wait, you said no moderation? When was this? Last I heard the moderation there was extremely heavy-handed. Getting banned there was practially a badge of respect on BuddhaChat. I'll have to check this out...
It took me a long time to realize that my posts were having an effect on the forums I was participating in. Many people are similarly unaware, and also don't know how to disagree without also offending. Put them in an environment with no moderation, and after a while they have the place to themselves.
If you visited it during the hack, you may want to scan your computer for viruses. The e-sangha forum on lioncity.net looks like it just has a nasty database error and not any malicious code as far as I can tell, which could be related to the hack, or it could be unrelated.
Other forums pride themselves as "any discussion is ok" but soon emotions are aroused , discussions degenerate into ugliness and people leave. I understand that not everyone agrees with tough moderating policies. But if that is the case, one is free to go to another forum or start your own. There is no need to create hostile websites which to me is clearly an unskilful action. Clearly if you don't like Thai food, go to another restaurant, there is no need to run thru the street telling people to beware of Thai food.
I'd like to think we've succeeded in finding a middle ground.....
~nomad
Based on what I've heard of the site, this is lying by ommission. The "tough moderating policies" include suppressing views which the forum moderators don't agree with. About 30% of New Buddhist posts would get deleted or edited because they imply or promulgate nontraditional views of Buddhist teachings..
Hope the bad luck didn't follow me here.
I've always appreciated the extremely knowledgeable people who post at E-sangha. I've learned a lot from the discussions. At the moment, some of the people I used to admire are no longer posting there, and the ratio of interesting posts to posts about whether or not Brad Warner is a real Buddhist is too low.
Did I say that out loud....?:eek:
Haha. Good answer. E-sangha is creepy! Either it's monks, in the ochre robe, who spend 24hrs a day on the internet - that just ain't right! Or it's curmudgeonly self-appointed elder statesmen with some particular esoteric knowledge about which only THEY could ever know and surely no-one could have anything to add. Or, the moderators are dyed-in-the-wool Theravadins who have a heart attack if you say the word "Hinayana" and consider it the most grievous of personal insults, or even worse, insist that any Mahayana teaching is not a teaching of the Buddha. Or, they are seemingly frustrated and pompous Western men with aggressive and self-aggrandising agendas.
Suffice to say, it's largely a waste of time, and highly unpleasant. That's been my experience of it.
All that negativity and bad karma probably caused the site to crash.
Shame for the 10,000 or so who probably need a fix of it everyday, but let's hope they come here instead! Where it's much more open, sincere, down to earth, real and welcoming.
I'll second that... even though I'm one of those naughty Theravadins!
There is a difference between moderators omitting posts because they do not conform to their own beliefs, and omitting offensive or slanderous posts that would draw the community in an opposite direction. I'm not declaring which one was more common on E-sangha, but I thought the moderators were doing a good job with the latter, and often avoided the former. But, you can make your own conclusions, and you are more than welcome to do so.
Right Speech?
I'm hardly one to pass judgment, and I'm not trying to. However, this probably falls into a most obvious category of slanderous, harmful, offensive, and un-true statement if I've ever seen it. I've never met the people from E-sangha in person, nor can I say I've ever met the people from here in person. Until I do, personally I won't fantasize about what a person wears, what their political views are, or what their beliefs are until I know that it's true.
My views though, take them or leave them.
Namaste
Discussing the current state of that site for others' benefit is welcome; having a free-wheeling debate of their moderation practices and the content of their members' character will have little such benefit.
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Someone set us up the bomb....... Oh the lulz. Nevermind my geeky Internet humour.
I know. I laughed so much I nearly did myself an injury.
I'm sorry, I know I shouldn't, but really - dare I say it out loud?
I do.
'Server' them right.
Sounds reasonable to me.
But just speculation of course.
That's fine if you're Theravadin, but please don't be like Cooran - yes, Cooran - and have a heart attack and accuse one of hatred whenever someone utters the word "Hinayana", or insist that Mahayana Buddhism is not Buddhism and is not Buddhist doctrie. Please.
Just because you don't give a "damn" about something doesn't surely mean no-one else should talk about it or give a damn. There's many threads that many members may or may not give a damn about, but they don't say so like that, they just don't subscribe to that particular thread.
And why not? They are the most prominent Buddhist forum in the entire world by far and away, nothing else is even close. And since they run a reign of terror, misinformation, paranoia and almost facistic iron-fistedness, you expect people not to comment on it?
Well sorry but it is ripe for discussion whether you like it or not.
ooh Godwin's Law is invoked!
That means you lose.
Ah! Touche!
Not. Who cares about Godwit's [f]Law? Oh, happy day! some geek with too much spare time and too few good ideas made up a cute,mildy amusing, mildly diverting internet rule which is ever so delightfully, nay, gleefully, pointed out - or should I say, in keeping with the prevailing vernacular, invoked - by certain people, complete with [annoying and childish] smileys of various kind.
And, and - somehow - that means I lose.
Also, finally - the NAZIS weren't FACIST they were NATIONAL SOCIALISTS = NAZIS.
The ITALIANS were FACISTS.
So Godwin's Rule doesn't even apply, even if one was to be nerd enough to care about it.
Or, James, if you mean to say that Godwin's Rule applies to every general use of the term facist, which has come to be a common adjective meaning, well, facist, then this is ridiculous.
Ridiculous? Nay, it's bordering on facist. Ahh, but the irony is too delicious.
What are you trying to say no-one should use the word "facist"? And does it ONLY apply on the internet, or does it apply in verbal conversation and in hard copy print as well?
And how about TV, films or radio? Well, why only on the internet then? Why, because the so-called Rule is bogus and great fun only for those nerd enough to get excited about it.
Which is why I say Ah! Giant James! Touche! A hit, a very palpable hit!
But not.
Also, I am considering inventing Lala's Rule, which is something to do with people who desultorily browse forums looking to invoke Godwit's Rule.
Now that's touche.
And - Look Mum! No smileys!
To be honest I was VERY disappointed by it. I didn't like taking part in the site myself because I found a lot of hypocrisy and irrationality BUT there was also an infinite amount of invaluable information within that forum as well.
If anyone is wishing to access that information, you can go to web.archive.org/ and type in the forum URL and choose a date from months back. That'll give you access to a lot of it. :]
I had a series of negative experiences with them but I never would have wished this on them.
Not that I would wish it on them, but as the Buddha said:
"Karma works fair". It's difficult not to view this as karma for them for years and years of being - whoops, I'll stop now, in fear of invoking Godwin's, or anyone else's, Law.
You get the gist. It's their karma. Because karma works fair.
It's merely a process of Cause and Effect.
Unless you have insider knowledge of this incident being a direct result of any previous action on *their* part, you are jumping to erroneous conclusions, and making things up as you go along.
I think they got what they deserved.
But I wouldn't go as far as calling it Karma.
According to the Buddha, only a Buddha can fully comprehend the intricate laws of Karma.
Is there something you'd like to share...or are we just living in Lala-land? *Insert laughing smiley here*.
From Sanskrit dictionary
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</TD><TD vAlign=top>lala</TD><TD vAlign=top>mfn. sporting , playful W. ; lolling , wagging ib. ; wishing , desirous ib. ; m. a partic. fragrant substance Gal. ; n. a shoot , sprout L. ; a garden L. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
So you can delight yourself by making jokes about it but it's a bit childish really.
Gosh, sorry, I didn't mean to upset you, I was just joking around.
Sending some metta your way!
someone needs a laxative methinks.
Upset? Moi? Far from it, friend. However, while you were joking around, also you said "Haha, you lose, nana na na na!" or words to that effect. Consequently, I most eloquently and thoroughly explained how your invocation of the Godwin Law was not sound in this case, on account of Hitler being, strictly speaking, Nazi as opposed to the Fascism of Mussolini, so that the Godwin Rule doesn't apply here; furthermore, the term "fascist" has entered the English language as a general term to describe anything heavy handed, so it is unfair to say that everytime someone uses the word "fascist", which as I have explained is a bonafide English word that does not necessarily relate to Hitler, even if he were in fact Fascist, like Mussolini, as opposed to Nazi, one invokes the Godwin Law.
Why, hullo friend!
No, not a bit of it; a sensible, controlled vegan diet will most efficaciously obviate the need for any such; but I thank you for your concern.
Oftentimes, it is the consumption of large amounts of red meat which will lead to digestive problems and so forth, because red meat is not readily digested by the human body and tends to clog up the colon and lower intestine, leading to not only the need for laxatives but also colon cancer, bowel and prostate cancers. There is plenty of medical evidence for this.
He was joking and made a lighthearted comment. As other people have to you, which seems to always result in the most absurd rantings peppered with personal and quite frankly nasty insults. Sometimes it's good to be childish. It makes us smile, relax, lowers blood pressure and the like. Calm down.
My grandma died as a result of NOT eating ANY red meat and becoming severly anemic through iron deficiency. She then suffered a stroke. The two didn't go well together. I left the other Thread to escape your preachings. Kindly give it a rest now, thank you.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
Please, stop answering each other. This "I need to get the last word in" stuff is the death of peace in web-based communities.
Newbuddhist is a very different animal from other buddhist websites. Our culture is different, our behaviour is different, and our expectations are different.
We're a fun bunch, a lighthearted group of good people who take things easy and who get really awkward and uncomfortable around bickering. Please. Respect our house.
E-sangha got hacked-- that sucks, and I'm sorry, and believe me I can relate, as I was a member of a gigantic web community that got hacked back in 2003, and it hurt. It hurt bad. I KNOW what you guys are going through.
We can be a new site for all of you, but you have to respect our culture.
relax! have fun! enjoy yourselves.
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