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Language is Tongue-Tied

edited November 2009 in Buddhism Basics
Language
is tongue tied
and can never be free
bogged down in meaning
it quickens thought

A teacher of English wrote the following sentence on a blackboard for his Japanese students: "A dog has four legs." The entire class was horrified. In order to make sense of that sentence they had to imagine a dog holding four dismembered legs in its mouth. To their minds a dog is a four legged creature by definition not possession. The English language gives the subtle illusion that a body possesses its parts.
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Some researchers created an "intelligence" test using pictures/icons to overcome the language difference of inner city children with the "norm." The majority of inner city children identified the icon of a teddy bear as a rat.
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A military cargo plane was on its take off roll down the runway when the wheels collapsed. The plane hit the pavement, slid off the runway, exploded, killing the entire crew.
An investigation revealed that:
The copilot had just received a letter from his girlfriend breaking off their relationship and was despondent.
The last thing the pilot said over the intercom was "Cheer up."
The investigation concluded that the copilot thought he heard "Gear up" and raised the landing gear.
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I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. - Robert McCloskey
U.S. State Department spokesman at one of his regular noon briefings during the worst days of the Vietnam War.
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A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand. - Bertrand Russell
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And as I posted before—there is the almost universal misuse of the concept of sentient beings in Mahayana Buddhism. Misinterpreting releasing/delivering sentient beings as saving/benefiting sentient beings deludes the mind into the idea of saving souls and/or other living beings. Sentient beings are the mental components (beliefs, attitudes, opinions, preferences, moods, etc.) that make up the ego or artificial sense of self that generate suffering in the mind.

The marks on this page are sounds and not
meanings
Meanings are made up in the mind
Egos are made up of past meanings
that interfere with

Original Mind

Comments

  • fivebellsfivebells Veteran
    edited November 2009
    pudgala2 wrote: »
    ...there is the almost universal misuse of the concept of sentient beings in Mahayana Buddhism. Misinterpreting releasing/delivering sentient beings as saving/benefiting sentient beings deludes the mind into the idea of saving souls and/or other living beings. Sentient beings are the mental components (beliefs, attitudes, opinions, preferences, moods, etc.) that make up the ego or artificial sense of self that generate suffering in the mind.
    The experience of an "external" phenomenon like another person is an internal experience just like anger, and can be released in the same way: fully experience it just as it is, without trying to manipulate it, knowing that it is going to die.
  • pegembarapegembara Veteran
    edited November 2009
    pudgala2 wrote: »
    Language
    is tongue tied
    and can never be free
    bogged down in meaning
    it quickens thought


    The marks on this page are sounds and not
    meanings
    Meanings are made up in the mind
    Egos are made up of past meanings
    that interfere with

    Original Mind


    Just as there are no things; things also being concepts within the thinking mind. Everyone of course misunderstands this until they actually awaken to the fact.

    Take the fact that there are no things. If one does not see the reality beyond the concept, they come up with all sorts of misunderstanding. The world is not a dream. What we have overlaid in concepts and beliefs is real, but we cannot see that reality because we are the dream.

    When it is realized that there is no separate self, then who is going to be responsible? To the unawakened mind, this makes sense. However, in practice it is not that easy to get out of being responsible.

    Just as there is thinking but no thinker, there is responsibility without someone who is responsible. When we awaken, it is all perfectly clear that we had been dreaming. The sense of ego is seen through, yet there is still a fully functioning something that walks, talks and has needs to maintain the body. Individual traits make up a personality. Character can take many forms and express itself in many ways. Yet, there is no one there. There is still intelligence, or the lack of it, and the capacity to use it. We don't become zombies walking around with smiles on our faces
  • edited November 2009
    pudgala2 wrote: »
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    And as I posted before—there is the almost universal misuse of the concept of sentient beings in Mahayana Buddhism. Misinterpreting releasing/delivering sentient beings as saving/benefiting sentient beings deludes the mind into the idea of saving souls and/or other living beings. Sentient beings are the mental components (beliefs, attitudes, opinions, preferences, moods, etc.) that make up the ego or artificial sense of self that generate suffering in the mind.

    no.
    Sentient beings are non-Buddha's living in samsara do to defiled or karmically conditioned physical and mental aggregates.
    your idea of a widespread misinterpretation is your misinterpretation of Buddhist teachings.
  • fivebellsfivebells Veteran
    edited November 2009
    Neither is a misinterpretation. They are perfectly compatible, complementary and useful.
  • edited November 2009
    fivebells wrote: »
    Neither is a misinterpretation. They are perfectly compatible, complementary and useful.
    we will have to agree to disagree.
  • ValtielValtiel Veteran
    edited November 2009
    ^They're both compatible and useful, but when he says "the common understanding of this term is a misinterpretation and is not what is being refered to within Buddhism" - that isn't the case, and his original post suggests to people that when they read "sentient being" within Buddhist context that they should use his definition instead... well this will only end up confusing people:
    Sentient beings are the mental components (beliefs, attitudes, opinions, preferences, moods, etc.)

    "The first precept is to refrain specifically from harming beliefs, opinions, moods, etc. that are only real in that the emotionally fortified self-image of the ego validates them to be real?"

    Frankly his understandings don't necessitate the use of the term "sentient being" to begin with and to suggest that, without using this specific term and attributing the same definition to it, we are all simply looking at Buddhism as a set of ethical guidelines... well it's a bit much. =P
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