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the first noble truth , dukkha

syriussyrius
edited November 2009 in Buddhism Basics
i duenrstadn that there is suffereing rather than I suffer , but when we investigate or rather observe suffering , i am right to make the assumption that suffering is only a state of mind ,but be cause we have been conditioned to blame it onto others we are more or less blind to this understanding ? as such we want to get rid of it b rather than observing it .
can our emotions be the source of suffering such as joy ? imean joy becasue i think soemtimes it can actually shield us from what is out there , by for example by our constant search for pleasure.

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  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited November 2009
    There is a great little booklet that you can probably find online by Ajahn Sumedho called "The Four Noble Truths" It describes the first and second in very clear terms that you can apply now.
  • syriussyrius
    edited November 2009
    thank you i think this the one you are talking about ...

    http://www.buddhanet.net/4noble.htm
  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited November 2009
    Yes, that is the one. The Sutta he starts with is beautiful.
  • syriussyrius
    edited November 2009
    Richard Herman wrote: »
    Yes, that is the one. The Sutta he starts with is beautiful.
    you are right it is beautifully written and very self explanatory . I am amazed at his insight .
  • blueartist7blueartist7
    edited November 2009
    syrius, thanks for the link; it's just what I've been looking for!

    Kate : )
  • DobeDobeMuDobeDobeMu
    edited November 2009
    The suffering is under the pleasure drive, and stillness resides at a simple need to let go of complexity to find peace within, and then generally applying a peaceful atmosphere around all without, to surround all desire leading us away from simple unity. Unity can evolve away from word usage, can include every nonverbal experience involved in a kinetic relationship. Here, the usage of words becomes mute, as a large portion of suffering dissolves into nothingness, without the need to hold on, or let go of, now interbeing.
  • DhammaDhatuDhammaDhatu Veteran
    edited November 2009
    The First Noble Truth states "in short, attachment is suffering". Attachment comes from the Pali upadana, which means to 'carry a heavy burden'.

    So when the First Noble Truth mentions birth, aging, illness, death, sorrow, pain, separation, etc, these are life events which the mind turns into suffering due to attachment or its way of relating to them.

    In themselves, birth, aging, sickness, death, pain, separation, etc, are not suffering. The suffering occurs due to one's attitude towards them.

    This is the way I view it.

    Kind regards

    DDhatu

    :)
  • pegembarapegembara Veteran
    edited November 2009
    A friend lamented that he just lost thousands of dollars as his remisier forgot to inform him to convert his convertible bond to shares and receive the dividends until it was too late.

    I told him that he did not lose anything as the money was not his until he actually received his dividends but he was not convinced.

    We then discussed a hypothetical situation where a beggar won 1million dollars with his lottery ticket but forgot to cash in. I said the beggar didn't lose anything as he had no money in the first place and the lottery money was not his until he claimed it. The beggar would have been quite happy the way he was until he found out he had "lost" what he never had in the beginning.

    The friend began to see my point and as a final remark said he would not tell his wife about his "loss" as she would be very upset.

    Funny how we create our own suffering by thinking we own things when they were not ours in the first place.
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited November 2009
    Dhamma Dhatu wrote: »
    The First Noble Truth states "in short, attachment is suffering". Attachment comes from the Pali upadana, which means to 'carry a heavy burden'.

    So when the First Noble Truth mentions birth, aging, illness, death, sorrow, pain, separation, etc, these are life events which the mind turns into suffering due to attachment or its way of relating to them.

    In themselves, birth, aging, sickness, death, pain, separation, etc, are not suffering. The suffering occurs due to one's attitude towards them.

    This is the way I view it.

    Kind regards

    DDhatu

    :)
    That's how I see it too. I just wouldn't have been able to express it as well as DD so I quoted him. :)
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited November 2009
    pegembara wrote: »
    A friend lamented that he just lost thousands of dollars as his remisier forgot to inform him to convert his convertible bond to shares and receive the dividends until it was too late.

    I told him that he did not lose anything as the money was not his until he actually received his dividends but he was not convinced.

    We then discussed a hypothetical situation where a beggar won 1million dollars with his lottery ticket but forgot to cash in. I said the beggar didn't lose anything as he had no money in the first place and the lottery money was not his until he claimed it. The beggar would have been quite happy the way he was until he found out he had "lost" what he never had in the beginning.

    The friend began to see my point and as a final remark said he would not tell his wife about his "loss" as she would be very upset.

    Funny how we create our own suffering by thinking we own things when they were not ours in the first place.
    Yeah, that's it exactly. The way we delude ourselves which leads to our own suffering.
  • syriussyrius
    edited November 2009
    Dhamma Dhatu wrote: »
    The First Noble Truth states "in short, attachment is suffering". Attachment comes from the Pali upadana, which means to 'carry a heavy burden'.

    So when the First Noble Truth mentions birth, aging, illness, death, sorrow, pain, separation, etc, these are life events which the mind turns into suffering due to attachment or its way of relating to them.

    In themselves, birth, aging, sickness, death, pain, separation, etc, are not suffering. The suffering occurs due to one's attitude towards them.

    This is the way I view it.

    Kind regards

    DDhatu

    :)
    thanks dakhu as well as other poster i just realize after discussing one issue with my other half and looking back in my life that well there is suffering but i cannot change that no matter what i do . screaming against it, will be fruitless as i will be like screaming for example that the sun is covered by a cloud and this annoyed me .

    suffering is more like a state of mind , or conditioned by word/situation or even as other poster said our own delusion ( lottery ticket) we hear or feel. it just gave me a whole different look upon my life . I understand how for example my emotional attachment to some petty words said by someone else to provoke a reaction from me or even something i want for example can result in such suffering
  • syriussyrius
    edited November 2009
    sorry I have an other question does our ego is actually the cause of our suffering ? I understand that our ego manifest itself as a desire or even craving for things so i understand also that it is an impermanent state of mind. I conclude that then if your egeo is manfifested through desire etc.. then it i isimpermament and as such the "i"is empty.

    so by reducing our ego do I reduce the caus eof suffering or am i on the wrong track ?
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