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Chakras???

edited November 2009 in Philosophy
Hello. So...I'm curious, I'm dabbling in paganism, but I still love buddhism, and I'm wondering, do buddhists open their chakras? Or is that something completely different? Also, how do you feel about the "third eye"?

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  • ValtielValtiel Veteran
    edited November 2009
    Chakras are no part of all traditions of Buddhism. Teachings on them can definitely be found in the Tibetan traditions.
    Also, how do you feel about the "third eye"?

    The third eye in what regard (it can refer to a few different things)? And do you mean, how does Buddhism regard it?
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited November 2009
    Chakras are far more pertinent in Yogic disciplines and in Ayurvedic medicine.
    The third eye - the Ajna - is also someyhing Yogic.

    None of this is any concern to a buddhist unless they also practise Yoga.
  • edited November 2009
    Nice post, Federica.
  • fivebellsfivebells Veteran
    edited November 2009
    ...do buddhists open their chakras? Or is that something completely different? Also, how do you feel about the "third eye"?

    Yes, they do, but they don't call it that. Your question about the third eye is a bit vague. Can you rephrase?
  • edited November 2009
    Like what's buddhism's view on the "third eye"?
  • ValtielValtiel Veteran
    edited November 2009
    That's the exact same question. xD

    The third eye can refer to a lot of things. In what way are you using the term? The Chakra? The symbol? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_eye
  • edited November 2009
    The chakra I guess.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited November 2009
    Unless you start being a bit more specific, I see little point in trying to discern what you mean by sheer guesswork and firing off random responses.
    Either be more specific about what exactly it is you're trying to establish, or do some research of your own.
    It's really not that difficult.
    But trying to engage with you and hold a coherent discussion - is.
  • edited November 2009
    Fine yes the chakra. I mean the chakra.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited November 2009
    read post #3.

    That sums it up.
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited November 2009
    Hi, RockandBuddha19.

    Welcome to the site! It's lovely to meet you.

    I'm afraid I don't know anything specific about the third eye other than it's some kind of spiritual thing but I don't know where it originated or anything. I'm not sure what it means either. I have a vague notion that it has something to do with our inner wisdom but that's about it and I've never come across it in Buddhism so I don't think the Buddha ever taught anything either positive or negative about it.

    Does that help at all? Hope so. :)

    (Watch me be totally wrong and find out that the third eye is the foundation on which Buddhism is built...:D)
  • edited November 2009
    federica wrote: »
    Chakras are far more pertinent in Yogic disciplines and in Ayurvedic medicine.
    The third eye - the Ajna - is also someyhing Yogic.

    None of this is any concern to a buddhist unless they also practise Yoga.

    thats not true.
    Chakras are used in all Vajrayana traditions.
    They usually dont come into play until the completion stage of the anutarayogatantra's of the sarma tradition though.
  • fivebellsfivebells Veteran
    edited November 2009
    They're in Ch. 6 of Wake Up To Your Life, though. :)
  • edited November 2009
    fivebells wrote: »
    They're in Ch. 6 of Wake Up To Your Life, though. :)
    aha, touche.
  • edited November 2009
    do buddhists open their chakras? Or is that something completely different?
    Yes they open their chakras.

    However, you need maybe like 1 solid year to reach extremely good single-pointed concentration. Then you need another 1.5 years to actually locate the chakras and channels using your concentration.

    By the time you succeed you will likely have already have gained other siddhis such as being able to hear sounds 200 miles away and/or reading other people's minds.
  • ValtielValtiel Veteran
    edited November 2009
    Yes they open their chakras.

    You mean some do. The Chakras aren't relevent to all schools and the things you're talking about are esoteric teachings more related to yogic practices and tantra.
  • edited November 2009
    You mean some do. The Chakras aren't relevent to all schools and the things you're talking about are esoteric teachings more related to yogic practices and tantra.
    I mean the same changes take place, so from a tantra pov they do open.

    For example when a person reaches jhana/dhyana the sign of for example extraordinary rapture/pliancy will appear. Non-tantra will explain it from the pov of mental factors whereas tantra will in addition to that explain what is happening with extremely subtle physical parts of the body + mind (channels etc).
  • ValtielValtiel Veteran
    edited November 2009
    I see what you mean and I agree with your point. That's not just limited to Buddhists though. I think the OP was asking if all Buddhists take part in practices specifically to open their Chakras. :)
  • fivebellsfivebells Veteran
    edited November 2009
    No, they all do, even if it's not part of their formalism. Most opening to emotional content involves opening of chakras.
  • ValtielValtiel Veteran
    edited November 2009
    No, they all do, even if it's not part of their formalism.

    But in this sense, doesn't everyone? The Chakras are constantly being affected. I don't get it - isn't RockandBuddha19 asking if all Buddhists take part in certain practices specifically to open their Chakras, or if they all find Chakras relevent? In the way you're discussing them, couldn't I say "Christians open their Chakras" too then? I don't think that's the OP was asking. :S
  • edited November 2009
    I think the OP was asking if all Buddhists take part in practices specifically to open their Chakras. :)
    That can still be read either way. Do all buddhists specifically know about opening their chakras no, do they all undergo common changes yes (from tantra pov).
  • edited November 2009
    aaki wrote: »
    That can still be read either way. Do all buddhists specifically know about opening their chakras no, do they all undergo common changes yes (from tantra pov).

    not according to Sakya Pandita.
    The only way a practitioner can undergo the stages and paths of tantra (including chakra opening and the loosening of knots in the channels) is through the four ripening initiations of maha or anu yoga tantra.
    for a detailed source see his text A Clear Differentiation of the Three Codes.
  • edited November 2009
    So most buddhists do? Okay, cool. Now I have one more question, so bare with me lol. Is there like a certain way to meditate to open them? I mean I know about the hands and all that, but like do I have to close my eyes or do anything like that?
  • edited November 2009
    So most buddhists do? Okay, cool. Now I have one more question, so bare with me lol. Is there like a certain way to meditate to open them? I mean I know about the hands and all that, but like do I have to close my eyes or do anything like that?
    few Buddhists do.
    If you really want to have a fruitful meditation using chakra's you have to find an authentic teacher of Vajrayana.
    After you complete some form of preliminary practice you can request instructions that involve chakra's and channels.
    some examples of these practices are tummo and tsalung.
  • edited November 2009
    not according to Sakya Pandita.
    Umm I said common changes. This refers even to the changes which are present when a person reaches simple samadhi, that happen regardless of knowing about channels or not.
    So most buddhists do?
    They have their own thorough explanations, but it is not something most people can do or will do.
  • ValtielValtiel Veteran
    edited November 2009
    So most buddhists do?
    few Buddhists do.
    Is there like a certain way to meditate to open them?

    In Buddhism, for the tantric practices being discussed, you would need to find, as Shenpen said, an authentic teacher. These teachings are much more esoteric.

    But you don't need Buddhism to work on the Chakras. Youtube/Google it. :) There's plenty of meditations out there that aren't Buddhist-specific that you can look into right now.
  • edited November 2009
    aaki wrote: »
    Umm I said common changes. This refers even to the changes which are present when a person reaches simple samadhi, that happen regardless of knowing about channels or not.


    They have their own thorough explanations, but it is not something most people can do or will do.

    you said "from a tantric pov".
    thats what i was referring to.
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