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beginner meditation needs some insight

edited November 2009 in Meditation
I am a beginner to meditation and buddhism my question is while meditating... insight meditation that is, i tend to get aroused and have pictures of sexual acts in my head. What should i do with these?

but in most of my experiences the following is the norm

sometimes when i meditate this happens: i start buy being mindful of my breath... then of my body then i note all other feelings images and so on... then i will go into a state of nothing... i guess you could say but my body always involuntarily jerks me out of the state and i feel as if i am coming back from somewhere... like back to reality almost like coming out of a dream but not the same... should this be happening... time seems to have slowed... but usually 6-10 min have gone by in what seem like a min... it seems as if my mind does not like where it is going or something

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  • fivebellsfivebells Veteran
    edited November 2009
    What do you experience emotionally, when the sexual images arise?

    For the dull mind you describe the second paragraph, you could try contemplating the fact that you might die at any moment.
  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited November 2009
    The unfocused state you describe is very common. If you are sitting alone at home it can be helpful to open a window and keep the room cool. It also helps to set the intention to maintain correct posture. It also helps to follow the breath within the context of the total Body/Environment sensation.

    For dullness Pema Chodron recomends expanding that total sensation outward to encompass the room, the building, and finally the spaciousness of surrounding your home ,street etc.. For some reason this works, dullness flashes away and the awareness is bright and crisp.
  • fivebellsfivebells Veteran
    edited November 2009
    I dunno, I prefer scaring the shit out of myself. :)
  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited November 2009
    fivebells wrote: »
    I dunno, I prefer scaring the shit out of myself. :)
    I'm trying to think about how I could scare the shit out of my self....oh yeh, my kid's tuition, that'll do it.:p
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited November 2009
    fivebells wrote: »
    I dunno, I prefer scaring the shit out of myself. :)
    Lmao!
  • edited November 2009
    fivebells wrote: »
    What do you experience emotionally, when the sexual images arise?

    For the dull mind you describe the second paragraph, you could try contemplating the fact that you might die at any moment.


    it feels natural but distracting
  • NamelessRiverNamelessRiver Veteran
    edited November 2009
    I am a beginner to meditation and buddhism my question is while meditating... insight meditation that is, i tend to get aroused and have pictures of sexual acts in my head. What should i do with these?

    Hum...the traditional approach would be meditating on the unattractiveness of the body. You see, there are five hindrances:

    1. Sensual desire (kāmacchanda): Craving for pleasure to the senses.
    2. Anger or ill-will (byāpāda, vyāpāda): Feelings of malice directed toward others.
    3. Sloth-torpor or boredom (thīna-middha): Half-hearted action with little or no concentration.
    4. Restlessness-worry (uddhacca-kukkucca): The inability to calm the mind.
    5. Doubt (vicikicchā): Lack of conviction or trust.
    When these cease you are supposed to get into jhanas, and there are remedies to counter each of these. In your case, you have kama chanda, or sensual desire. The solution for your case in specific would be meditating on the loathsomeness of the human body. The desire is supposed to fade little by little until it doesn't bothers you when you want to think of something else. Weakening the other hindrances also has an effect on the rest (this is my personal experience though :buck:), so you might try attacking the problems in other ways if this first method is too complicated.
  • edited November 2009
    Hum...the traditional approach would be meditating on the unattractiveness of the body. You see, there are five hindrances:

    1. Sensual desire (kāmacchanda): Craving for pleasure to the senses.
    2. Anger or ill-will (byāpāda, vyāpāda): Feelings of malice directed toward others.
    3. Sloth-torpor or boredom (thīna-middha): Half-hearted action with little or no concentration.
    4. Restlessness-worry (uddhacca-kukkucca): The inability to calm the mind.
    5. Doubt (vicikicchā): Lack of conviction or trust.
    When these cease you are supposed to get into jhanas, and there are remedies to counter each of these. In your case, you have kama chanda, or sensual desire. The solution for your case in specific would be meditating on the loathsomeness of the human body. The desire is supposed to fade little by little until it doesn't bothers you when you want to think of something else. Weakening the other hindrances also has an effect on the rest (this is my personal experience though :buck:), so you might try attacking the problems in other ways if this first method is too complicated.
    thank you that is exactly what i needed
  • skullchinskullchin Veteran
    edited November 2009
    This makes me wonder what a person who has been sexually traumatized/abused suppose to do? It seems "meditating on the loathsomeness of the human body" would actually be harmful in many cases.
  • fivebellsfivebells Veteran
    edited November 2009
    skullchin wrote: »
    This makes me wonder what a person who has been sexually traumatized/abused suppose to do? It seems "meditating on the loathsomeness of the human body" would actually be harmful in many cases.
    This essay by Brad Warner talks about how Buddhist meditation is likely to go for a trauma survivor, although I don't think he talks about that kind of meditation in particular.
  • skullchinskullchin Veteran
    edited November 2009
    I read the essay, I don't doubt that meditation can be beneficial for trauma survivors. It's the "meditating on the loathsomeness of the human body" that makes me wonder. For example, I would never suggest to someone with Borderline Personality Disorder or an eating disorder to meditate in this way.
  • GlowGlow Veteran
    edited November 2009
    I do agree that you have to be conscientious if you are a trauma survivor. In Tara Brach's book Radical Acceptance, she warns how certain types of meditation can actually be re-traumatizing.

    In this case, however, I think "meditating on the loathsomeness of the human body" should actually be quite fine. This is from the Satipatthana Sutta, where the Buddha elaborates on this particular type of meditation. As you can see, it's not so much assigning a quality of "loathsomeness" to a body as deconstructing it into its constituent parts so that attachment to it lessens:
    "Furthermore...just as if a sack with openings at both ends were full of various kinds of grain -- wheat, rice, mung beans, kidney beans, sesame seeds, husked rice -- and a man with good eyesight, pouring it out, were to reflect, 'This is wheat. This is rice. These are mung beans. These are kidney beans. These are sesame seeds. This is husked rice,' in the same way, monks, a monk reflects on this very body from the soles of the feet on up, from the crown of the head on down, surrounded by skin and full of various kinds of unclean things: 'In this body there are head hairs, body hairs, nails, teeth, skin, flesh, tendons, bones, bone marrow, kidneys, heart, liver, pleura, spleen, lungs, large intestines, small intestines, gorge, feces, bile, phlegm, pus, blood, sweat, fat, tears, skin-oil, saliva, mucus, fluid in the joints, urine."

    I actually think zazen and other non-directed forms of meditation can be more dangerous than what is described above because they don't give you a framework to return to if something does come up. The first forms of meditation I would recommend to anyone who has experienced trauma would be more directed practices: in particular, simple anapanasati (mindfulness of the breath) and metta (unconditional goodwill) starting with oneself. In a therapeutic setting, mindfulness of the body is also emphasized quite a bit (usually in the form of a simple body-scan meditation).
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