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What do I do about Mice?

Quiet_witnessQuiet_witness Veteran
edited December 2009 in Buddhism Basics
As I am trying to not cause harm or suffering to other creatures, I have come across a dilema. I recently have noticed mice in my house. As creatures, I understand they are only in the house for the winter as it is cold outside and there is little food for them. On principle, I don't care and in fact delight in them eating my excess and garbage. I am concerened however, in them spreading disease and harming myself and my loved ones.

Accordingly, I am not sure what I could do. My friend suggested that I borrow her cat, which loves to hunt and kill mice. I feel my intentions of bringing the cat to my house would be no different than just buying a mouse trap. If I had a cat for companionship and it ate a mouse that would be different, but here I am inviting a living mousetrap into my house. I could find a way to displace the mice but is that not just another form of a death sentence or at the least they would just find a way back. I have a conumdrum, what do you suggest?

Comments

  • edited December 2009
    Your local walmart ought to sell humane mousetraps I know mine does...
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited December 2009
    Find a humane trap.
    Load it with chocolate or peanut butter.
    Check the trap every morning.
    Put all the mice in a cage and feed them, and either take them to the vet, or release them over 2 miles away from where you live. That's how big their homing radius is. Over 2 miles away, they won't come back. Make sure it's a woodland, or a big open field.....
    Put a good pile of food where you release them, then let them be.
    They were alone before you found them, they'll cope when you've gone. Mice are wild opportunistic creatures.
    Set them free, and let Nature take its course.
  • Quiet_witnessQuiet_witness Veteran
    edited December 2009
    Thanks I will try it. Two miles pretty cool something so small can find it's territory from two miles away. Amazing.
  • edited December 2009
    You have a duty to protect your family and yourself. It would accumulate bad karma if you simply let an infestation go and it caused harm or disease to others as a result. It's tempting to just ignore them and try to coexist, but the reality of our world doesn't permit such things.

    As others have suggested, I too would recommend a live trap. Although, I would recommend taking them a bit further than 2 miles just to be safe. I've had mice find their way back into my house after releasing them, so now I prefer to take them across a river that I know they can't cross.
  • Quiet_witnessQuiet_witness Veteran
    edited December 2009
    I agree poto, their return was my concern. I just found a device that sends sounds at a decible level that we humans cannot hear but mice cannot tolorate. I might get that but I want to do more research as I have dogs and it might bother them too. Otherwise, I will try to trap them and then take them far away.
  • edited December 2009
    I smile when I read this post. Not that I'm taking this topic lightly, in fact I agree for most of us, this is a very serious concern.

    It's because I had a friend in Holland who I exchanged emails back and forth, with him giving me a blow by blow account of the status of the mice in his house. He finally caught him and rode his bike all the way to the forest to release it.

    Yes, I agree with poto , we have a responsibility to protect our family, property and safeguard our health.
  • AriettaDolenteAriettaDolente Veteran
    edited December 2009
    I'll never forget one time when I was living in my sister's basement. I was sitting in front of my computer, eating some hash-browned potatoes on a plate resting on my desk. Suddenly I noticed a little twitching nose peek out from the top of the staircase. Smelling my dinner, a little gray mouse hopped down from the top step, and stood up to get a better look. I watched in rapt amusement as the mouse climbed down a chord that was hanging over the step, like a little secret agent, all the way to my desktop. He stood up again, looked me over, and apparently decided I wasn't a big enough threat to get in between him and my plate of hash-browns. He just walked over to my plate and helped himself. Grabbing little pieces with his paws, he watched me as he munched down, almost as curiously as I was watching him. When he'd had his fill, he twitched his whiskers at me, as if in thanks, and left the same way he came.

    We can peacefully coexist with our wild neighbors, but it takes a bit more effort on our part. The best, most humane and effective way to deal with rodents and other unwelcome guests is through access prevention. There is a wonderful book on this topic that I can recommend:

    Wild Neighbors: The Humane Approach to Living with Wildlife
    by John Hadidian

    ~ AD
  • ValtielValtiel Veteran
    edited December 2009
    Indeed. Let's make George Bush's dream a reality. :cool:
  • edited December 2009
    And here's a reason why we should treat mice differently from other pests such as mosquitoes, flies, cockroaches, and the like..... :D:lol:
    Mice and men share about 97.5 per cent of their working DNA, just one per cent less than chimps and humans. The new estimate is based on the comparison of mouse chromosome 16 with human DNA. Previous estimates had suggested mouse-human differences as high as 15 per cent.
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2352-just-25-of-dna-turns-mice-into-men.html
  • shadowleavershadowleaver Veteran
    edited December 2009
    I think bringing in a cat is a perfectly fine solution. The cat gets to eat and the population of mice gets controlled-- in nature, predators serve a vital role.

    As far as the intention goes, I think it is perfectly fine to consciously intend to get rid of mice. They carry disease and that's serious business.
  • ValtielValtiel Veteran
    edited December 2009
    I think bringing in a cat is a perfectly fine solution. The cat gets to eat and the population of mice gets controlled-- in nature, predators serve a vital role.

    As far as the intention goes, I think it is perfectly fine to consciously intend to get rid of mice. They carry disease and that's serious business.

    Cats play with their food. Lots of cats never even bother killing/eating mice. It would be kinder to just buy a typical mouse trap...

    Better yet, buy a humane one. :confused:
  • edited December 2009
    I have lots of mice in my attic... and im fine.
    We once thought about traps and such, but since mere surrounded by fields we found it quite pointless to even try. removing a mouse from our attic would just make space for a new one to move in LOLZ
    As long as its not rats i dont have a problem with it - mice are quite harmless.... they even look cute :)

    Much love

    Allan
  • Quiet_witnessQuiet_witness Veteran
    edited December 2009
    I have learned some good lessons from them. I left a very nice Kashmir sweater on my couch the other day. In th emorning I grabbed it to put in my drawer and noticed that the mice had taken a chunk out of the sleave for their nest. It helped me realize the impermanece of things.

    My concern is that that I live in the Mountain west and the Haunta Virus is spread by mice droppings.
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited December 2009
    Yes, I'm concerned about the virus too, Quiet.

    I'm not all that knowledgeable about it but I think for the virus to be harmful to humans the droppings have to be in a great abundance, like those found in infested old barns. Before tearing down old barns disease specialists have to be called in to do all the testing to make sure it's safe to stir up all the stuff that has accumulated and so on.

    I just recently found some mouse droppings in our house which is an old farmhouse. But we have cats and they do what nature tells them to do and that keeps the rodent population down. I try not to interfere...
  • Quiet_witnessQuiet_witness Veteran
    edited December 2009
    I thought I would give an update on the mice. They have been quite the smart little creatures. I have tried various methods to catch them and or get them out. All I have succeeded at is teaching them to be less timid around me. Last night I was doing my yoga practice in my living room and the two little mice run from under their hiding place and were wrestling/playing with each other, it seemed like they were mocking me. They are really cute even if they are destroyers.
  • edited December 2009
    Quiet Witness ... first off I commend you on looking 4 a peaceful solution & I do think you will find it in a humane mouse-trap as suggested by many.

    Indeed, as an owner of cats, it's true, cats (especially domestic ones) are usually more interested in playing with mice or insects ... some don't even bother ;) so there's no point in going "that" way.

    You should be careful though indeed, so it's better to act sooner than later imho, and maybe that sound-device is a good solution... Sounds good ... :P
  • PalzangPalzang Veteran
    edited December 2009
    Sukhita - did you know that we also share about 50% of our genome with bananas? Somehow I'm not surprised...

    Palzang
  • edited December 2009
    Did you ever catch the mice?

    If not, we used a small glass with peanut butter spread on the bottom and it worked! Just spread on a dab, tip it upsidedown, and then balance it on a penny/coin. Check it 2-3 or more times a day. It worked!!

    A
  • FyreShamanFyreShaman Veteran
    edited December 2009
    There are humane traps which may be used to catch rats and mice without killing them. Of course, you then need to find them a suitable 'home'.

    They say we are never more than 6 feet away from a rat. Blocking up eve the smallest gaps and holes can prevent them gaining access to our rooms and our food. They would not be there unless there was food and access to it.

    In my experience domestic cats are the worst possible solution as they tend to be well fed and toy with any creature they catch, torturing it to death slowly. In the UK they kill very many of our birds and are in themselves a pest.

    On an aside, your family is more likely to be harmed by faeces from a cat or dog. Young children can be blinded as worm larvae enter the bloodstream and blocks the tiny vessels in the eye. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxocariasis). Kill the dog?
  • Quiet_witnessQuiet_witness Veteran
    edited December 2009
    Hi A,

    I haven't caught them yet but I will try your method. I took a survival course and that method you suggest is very similar to a Paiute deadfall in a humane way. I never thought to do it in my home. It will be fun.

    Yeshe, I have several humane traps established but those blimey mice were able to set one off without getting caught. Cats do seem to toy with their kill and that's why I will not intentionally bring one to my house simply to kill my pests. I hear cats are quite the pest in Australia.

    Happy new years!
    Adam
  • edited December 2009
    Palzang wrote: »
    Sukhita - did you know that we also share about 50% of our genome with bananas? Somehow I'm not surprised...
    Palzang

    Hi Palzang,

    :) I'm beginning to think that we share our "everything" with everything in the universe....
    A human being's existence in any given moment is dependent on the condition of everything else in the world at that moment, but in an equally significant way, the condition of everything in the world in that moment depends conversely on the condition of that human being.
    Do you think ... maybe ...this dependency also includes our genome? :)
    Sukhita
  • FyreShamanFyreShaman Veteran
    edited December 2009
    sukhita wrote: »
    Hi Palzang,

    :) I'm beginning to think that we share our "everything" with everything in the universe....
    Do you think ... maybe ...this dependency also includes our genome? :)
    Sukhita


    Hell, yes. :)

    Here in the UK we even have to share our DNA with the police! LOL :)
  • PalzangPalzang Veteran
    edited December 2009
    What is a genome but chemical karma?

    Palzang
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