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the oummm sound
yuriythebest
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Buddhism is correct in stating that the universe formed with a big bang, but how did it make a sound in vacuum?
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BUT modern physics states that the big bang WAS NOT the beginning of the universe, the beginning itself is uncertain, if there was a beginning at all. Black holes, as most know, draw particles into space time to a point infinitely dense. They realized that this point wasn't unlike our pre big bang universe, thus our big bang is the result of a black hole, in another universe.
Though yes, OUR universe was formed with auuuum, and maybe all universes in the multiverse.
But what what I was trying to say was that there may not have been a "beginning" of existence, for it seems that our big bang was caused by the sucking of particles into a black hole, in another universe. Basically black holes create new universes.
I think the big bang is a figure of speech. If we could here it it would most likely make a big noise...
Love & Peace,
Joe
Logically, it only makes sense that there was no beginning; there are only changes. If there is a beginning, there has to be an end.
Where's the begining and end of a circle ? :hrm:
http://www.hindupedia.com/en/Om
More of a hum than a bang!
Exactly it is a tautological argument I made and quite the conumdrum. If you place a beggining on the circle, you inherently stop it from being a circle because then it is a point in space and time.
Yup...:o
does it say that in the buddhist/hindu texts?
hmm... there was a beginning yet it was not the beginning of everything, a begging of a different state if you will? Then why do Budhists/Hindus place so much value on the oouuhhmmm sound - after all the wheel of samsara keeps turning
I will have to leave that for someone with more expertise on Buddhist customs as I am not that expert. I would say that it is the sound that transcends space and time.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.063.than.html
*OMG he dissed the texts*
I have limited knowledge of mantras so I'll ask my teacher when I see him (I'm interested in mantras also so I'd be interested in learning the answer), but from the little that I do know the singular mantra "om" (or "Aum") isn't used on it's own in buddhism, but as part of a longer mantra with "hum" on the end. From the little I know "om" is the beginning and "hum" is the end but they are both the same "sound" meaning, ultimately, there is no beginning and no end.
Eg: Om Ah Hum / Om Mani Padme Hum / etc
In the mean time I found this on the web which might help. Again, because my knowledge is limited I don't know accurate it is.
http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/omahhum.htm
Nios.
Which texts? Mind pointing out something specific that you might consider wrong?
I admit I've spent a fair amount of time pondering the imponderable myself. On that note, I find string theory interesting. If it's correct and if all matter is made up of tiny vibrating strings, I've often thought that might have some relation to the Om sound, considering sound is a vibration and all. Maybe those old wise ones were using the Om sound in an attempt to explain their understanding of the universe. I imagine if one was truly psychic and could see such things, it would be very difficult to describe them, especially in ancient times.
Of course, after reflecting on that, I've come to agree with the Buddha's words, that speculating on such things is not fruitful and does not help one advance towards the goal. Maybe if I'd spent more time meditating instead of pondering the imponderable, I'd already be enlightened!
They don't all follow that pattern. Some people want to know what every word means, others accept that a mantra comprises 'words of power' with a vibration and effect divorced from the literal meaning. Here are a few from a site I like, as it explores Sanskrit as well as the mantras:
http://www.visiblemantra.org/mantra.html
Here is that site's explanation of OM (AUM):
http://www.visiblemantra.org/om.html
Palzang
:eekblue: the big bang wasn't supposed to happen in your head.
Palzang
The correct pronunciation of the syllable really kicks off a profound experience that is felt. It's not an intellectual/conceptual thing. It's a way to work with the subtle energy in and around us and open stuck places within our own beings. I also imagine it as a way to help us profoundly connect with the energetic qualities that bring well-being (as I underatand it this is the meaning of "Mantra"; a "seal" - a bond or connection with sublime or divine power) Kind of like plugging in to a huge power source and, with intention, using that power to foster good, for the benefit of all beings.
Shalom and Hugs
The correct pronunciation of the syllable really kicks off a profound experience that is felt. It's not an intellectual/conceptual thing. It's a way to work with the subtle energy in and around us and open stuck places within our own beings. I also imagine it as a way to help us profoundly connect with the energetic qualities that bring well-being (as I underatand it this is the meaning of "Mantra"; a "seal" - a bond or connection with sublime or divine power) Kind of like plugging in to a huge power source and, with intention, using that power to foster good, for the benefit of all beings.
Shalom and Hugs
The first question by many especially in the west is what a particular mantra means. The essence is in the sounds of the syllables as they are the enlightened speech of Buddha's and bodhisattva's. I think the effect on the subtle body is generally overlooked or not quite understood. I suppose this is why such things usually must be transmitted and explained by a properly qualified teacher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr6CdDNPN0Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1evxMA7yYw&feature=channel
Do the words matter?
Love & Peace
Joe