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Question
Can anyone shed any light on somthing for me?
what it is is a really interesting video on you tube called ( the quantum appocolipse)
I have found it very usefull but one thing does not ring true
there is a part where a guru with a White beard says trying to seek the infinate with the sense organs is like trying to fly to the moon in
a bullacock (not sure what a bullacock is but it
sounds futile anyway) all I have learnt points to the fact you can get enlightened in this lifetime in fact I just read( the six senses left in their natural state compose the outlook of the natural great perfection.)
any help greatfully received
thankyou
what it is is a really interesting video on you tube called ( the quantum appocolipse)
I have found it very usefull but one thing does not ring true
there is a part where a guru with a White beard says trying to seek the infinate with the sense organs is like trying to fly to the moon in
a bullacock (not sure what a bullacock is but it
sounds futile anyway) all I have learnt points to the fact you can get enlightened in this lifetime in fact I just read( the six senses left in their natural state compose the outlook of the natural great perfection.)
any help greatfully received
thankyou
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I don't really know what that guru type was trying to say, but perhaps he was pointing to renouncing attachment to sensory experience, rather than looking for some kind of enlightenment experience within the senses.
Our eyes are incapable of seeing the true nature of reality, therefore it is useless for us to attempt to define the absolute truth of appearances through what our eyes show us. The same is true for all of our other senses. The only way to "experience" the truth is to go beyond the impure perceptions of the physical senses and ordinary mind (Tib. sem) and experience directly ones true nature.
that video has a lot of common themes of quantum mechanics and some famous scientists in it. the ideas are good and interesting but the new agey presentation is unfortunate although the final bit with the great Bill Hicks was a nice touch.
compose the outlook of the natural great perfection.
How does that work if you can't see hear etc true nature
is it that they all arise from and do not differ from emptiness or am I barking up the wrong tree?? Maybe you are talking of a much more subtle state, deathless? True enlightenment I probably just confused after studying dhamma all day and not meditateing
knowing who says this will help.
the natural state of the senses is emptiness. the natural state is effortless.
there is no contrived effort to perceive the truth through the senses.
The idea of resting in the natural state is about the primordial purity and spontaneous presence of phenomena and ones true nature, this experience is beyond the senses and ordinary mind.
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Everything is in the state of primordial buddhahood;
recognition of that is spiritual awakening.
The six senses left in their natural state
compose the outlook of the natural great perfection.
Enjoying everthing, simply
leave it as it is
and rest your weary mind.
this helps.
Longchenpa is most likely talking about the state of nonfabricated contemplation without the interference of conceptual input based upon the senses and their dualistic relationship with the external world. to rest in the natural state the duality collapses and one is able to rest and leave everything "as it is".
This is how one enters into the state of contemplation. In order to truly enter into the state of contemplation of rigpa and the natural perfection or Dzogchen one must first be introduced to this state by an authentic teacher through the rigpai tsal wang. this empowers one to practice the methods of Dzogchen and introduces the student to their authentic nature that is free from extremes, limitations, and defilement's.
This is, in part, defining perfection absent perception, and is part of the canalization of commitments, which may be presented as differential teachings of Theravada / Vinaya and Mahayana. There is an interesting book authored by Chogyal Namkhai Norbu regarding Longchenpa Trime Öser’s ‘Thirty Words of Advice’, it is entitled “Longchenpa's Advice from the Heart”. The writings may better serve in answering the question(s) you have within the bright and relevant context of Longchenpa’s teachings.
Perfection is an illusion beset by the phenomenal nature of all things perceived. As such, the standards by which we seek to measure perfection are also, in themselves, illusions. Therefore, stand not in judgment of perfection rather seek to understand the perfection of all created things.