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Good and Evil and raping Buddhas..

TheFoundTheFound
edited January 2010 in Buddhism Basics
Good and Evil...:D

Well..it's a coin flip right?
as Buddhists and Buddhas do we aim to transcend them both?

First of all I think I have a grasp of good and kindness, self-sacrifice etc..(lol after this post maybe not)

but what is EVIL?
If I kill someone because they piss me off, technically all I'm doing is changing a pattern of the "GREAT" motion...just sticking a knife full of atoms, into a body full of atoms.. he/she will just be reborn anyway, their energy is not wasted... It may make some people sad, maybe lets say the persons family... but they are only sad because they are unenlightened..i'm ending one world of potentials but creating another ...

here's a question, if you raped a female Buddha (or male Buddha...if that's your thing..) How would she react? or feel?

with understanding....compassion towards you? she would let you rape her? while understanding your feelings and ignorance??

What is evil....is there really an evil? or is it just ignorance..
same with good,
is there a good ? or just understanding?

Comments

  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited January 2010
    but what is EVIL?
    If I kill someone because they piss me off, technically all I'm doing is changing a pattern of the "GREAT" motion...just sticking a knife full of atoms, into a body full of atoms.. he/she will just be reborn anyway, their energy is not wasted... It may make some people sad, maybe lets say the persons family... but they are only sad because they are unenlightened..i'm ending one world of potentials but creating another ...

    Evil is that which leads to suffering perhaps. Why not blow up the whole world? We would only be sad because we are unenlightened? Nonetheless dharmic practice is about reducing suffering.
    here's a question, if you raped a female Buddha (or male Buddha...if that's your thing..) How would she react? or feel?
    with understanding....compassion towards you? she would let you rape her? while understanding your feelings and ignorance??

    I don't know but I wondered what a buddha would experience during torture. I don't believe a buddha is emotionless and unresponsive. It is stated that harming a buddha is an unforgiveable negative karmic action IIRC that will definitely get you a stint in hell which will seem to last for millions of years and you are in unbearable pain that whole time with no relief.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited January 2010
    TheFound... you ask the most bizarre questions anybody has ever asked.:rolleyes:

    put it this way. From what I know and understand of the Buddha, and what it means to be a Buddha (from the perspective of a woman who isn't one) I would venture to guess,that the female Buddha would feel the pain and violation, but wouldn't care because she would know it's impermanent, and things ar as they are, because they are as they are. She would have compassion for you, because you'd be acting from a standpoint of Ignorance and Suffering.
    As for the stabbing.
    Hold still, While I plunge this knife into you.

    tell me - really - (and remember you've felt in a murderous state of mind, and shown indifference to someone when you realise you should have shown compassion) how would you feel if someone plunged a knife into you for absolutely no reason other than you're just a bunch of atoms, and what difference would it make to you?
    What difference do you think it would make to me?
  • fivebellsfivebells Veteran
    edited January 2010
    My teacher says evil is synonymous with ignorance.

    A Buddha cannot be raped. A body you may associate with a Buddha could be raped, but that is not a Buddha.
  • jinzangjinzang Veteran
    edited January 2010
    Here's a story from the life of Yeshe Tsogyal, consort of Padmasambhava, as told by Bardor Tulku:
    After attaining enlightenment, she acted for the benefit of others. Guru Padmasambhava sent her to Nepal to free an acharya. It was a very difficult trip at that time. While she was travelling she encountered seven robbers. They planned to steal her goods. When they approached her she visualized them as deities and saw herself as giving her jewelry to them as offerings and with this attitude she did so. When the robbers heard her sweet voice and saw her beauty they planned to rape her. Out of compassion she had sexual relations with them. As a result they were freed from all their obscurations and negativities. When they realized her compassion they felt regret for their actions and apologized. That caused the robbers to follow the path of virtue. When you receive empowerment you are given nectar. It doesn't mean you attain liberation immediately, but it sets you on the path to liberation. Similarly when you meet a great master you are set on the path to liberation.
  • ValtielValtiel Veteran
    edited January 2010
    with understanding....compassion towards you? she would let you rape her? while understanding your feelings and ignorance??

    Compassion means allowing someone to harm you and endanger your life, just lying there and taking it? If someone came at a buddha with a knife, they wouldn't even step aside to avoid the blade? They would certainly have compassion... but how they might respond to a given situation could only be described as "free from greed, hatred, or delusion" - beyond that is speculation.
  • DazzleDazzle
    edited January 2010
    .

    I suggest reading the links I gave in #3 of the "Idiot Compassion" thread. (Experienced Buddhist section)


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  • KnightofBuddhaKnightofBuddha
    edited January 2010
    Well I would wager that most people, enlightened or not, would disapprove of being raped. And would not enjoy it. :-/
    but what is EVIL?


    Genocide. Rape. Slavery.

    I've never heard a remotely coherent argument in FAVOR of any of these 3.
  • TheFoundTheFound
    edited January 2010
    hmm okay, but what of this underlying MORALITY that is supposed to be the essence of the universe..or compassion rather?

    why would a cold universe, have this "compassion" inherently...

    I've always heard that if you reach a certain stage of enlightenment ...you know there is this "compassion" of the universe thing...

    but technically I can't see it? we are just a bunch of atoms floating in space, on a giant rock, Does compassion exist without sentient beings??!!?
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited January 2010
    An atom doesn't really exist. It is just a model to describe reality. Only experiences exist (to us). Even experiences in chemistry class.
  • fivebellsfivebells Veteran
    edited January 2010
    The universe itself doesn't necessarily have compassion, but your experience of it does.
  • PietroPumokinPietroPumokin
    edited January 2010
    though experience and the universe are identical! i've always considered love a major factor in the universe, whatever that means. buddha-nature is the essence of that, and mother earth though she has her impurities, impurities which though are only impurities in our eyes, the presiding force is love, and a coming together-ness.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited January 2010
    "We live in illusion and the appearance of things.

    There is a reality.
    We are that reality.

    When you understand this,
    you see that you are nothing, and being nothing,
    you are everything.

    That is all"

    Kalu Rinpoche
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