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Right Intention

I got the idea for this thread after reading the "Idiot Compassion" thread. The general consensus seemed to be that compassion for self-interested or greedy ends was something to be avoided. In other words, you have to have Right Intention when being compassionate.

But does Intention really matter? If I openly give to charity, or hold doors for people, or walk old ladies across the street ONLY to impress people, is that really a bad thing? The end result is the same, isn't it? The money still goes to charity, the door is still open, and the old lady is safely on the other side and none the wiser that I was kind for selfish reasons.

Here's a personal example. Last summer, i had the opportunity to volunteer and paint a house as charity for no pay. I wasn't particularly interested in being charitable that day (I would have rather have stayed home to recuperate from the rough week), but I went so that my boss would think better of me. Others went in the hopes of winning a raffle for a huge TV at the end of the day. When I think about it, the company as a whole decided to do the charity to garner business in the media and put out a positive image of itself. Maybe there were a few people who truly wanted to do the job for altruistic reasons.

But at the end of the day, it didn't make any difference. Intention was irrelevant.

Thoughts?

Comments

  • ValtielValtiel Veteran
    edited January 2010
    But does Intention really matter? If I openly give to charity, or hold doors for people, or walk old ladies across the street ONLY to impress people, is that really a bad thing? The end result is the same, isn't it? The money still goes to charity, the door is still open, and the old lady is safely on the other side and none the wiser that I was kind for selfish reasons.

    Is the result the same for you, though? What happens when people aren't impressed, don't give you the reaction you were hoping for? Dukkha?

    If you fail to get the reaction you want, would you help the old lady cross the street the next time?

    Buddhist practice is about internal peace and through that, compassion and loving-kindness develop naturally and so you help the old lady cross the street for that reason alone, regardless of the reaction you get, this time and the next.
  • edited January 2010
    hollowed compassion isn't meaningless, but it is still hollowed and can benefit from being filled like jelly fills doughnuts
  • AllbuddhaBoundAllbuddhaBound Veteran
    edited January 2010
    I brought this up in the idiot compassion thread as well. When a parent tells their child that they are smart, and they know the child is not, intending to encourage the child, have they done the right thing?
  • edited January 2010
    children are pretty dimwitted and that's why they're so bright, so yes
    hehehehehehwWAHAHAha
    gulp

    though the parent should still generate bodhicitta
  • edited January 2010
    well the result is the same for the old lady crossing the street, regardless of your intention. but for you, even if you do get the result you want which may be, for example, to impress people, it would create an attachment to ego. which by itself does not cause suffering but it will at some point cause you suffering.
    that's how i see it.
  • edited January 2010
    My thought is that acting with right intention results in subtle improvements to your own internal state alongside any external benefit from the action itself. It isn't the action alone that influences your disposition, but also your disposition towards that action.
  • upekkaupekka Veteran
    edited January 2010
    I
    , i had the opportunity to volunteer and paint a house as charity for no pay. I wasn't particularly interested in being charitable that day (I would have rather have stayed home to recuperate from the rough week), but I went so that my boss would think better of me.


    But at the end of the day, it didn't make any difference. Intention was irrelevant.

    Thoughts?

    so your intention was not charity but something else

    think back and try to see how you felt during the work, what was in your mind while doing the work

    it is for sure you were not in a happy mood all the time even though you might tried to show others that you were

    were not you wishing the work finish as soon as possible for you to go back home to do whatever you like

    in short, during that day were you happy or not happy

    you can check now whether you are happy about your involvement in 'that charity work'

    level of satisfaction/ happiness depend on to the extent that our hearts possitively involve in 'charity work'


    you can decide whether IT DID or DIDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE
  • PalzangPalzang Veteran
    edited January 2010
    hollowed compassion isn't meaningless, but it is still hollowed and can benefit from being filled like jelly fills doughnuts

    Jelly-filled compassion - nice image!

    Palzang
  • PalzangPalzang Veteran
    edited January 2010
    KoB, do you really think people can't tell when you're bullshitting them?

    Palzang
  • edited January 2010
    Palzang wrote: »
    KoB, do you really think people can't tell when you're bullshitting them?

    Palzang

    It depends on the circumstances. :lol: Some people are gullible. But if you happen to do a good deed while bullshitting and still gain respect in some peoples' eyes, then it's a win-win...-win? Maybe.

    My whole point is that I think you can be compassionate and do good things even with slightly less-than-noble intentions. Self-interest namely.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited January 2010
    I think it would be interesting to look at your reasons. Why did you want to impress your co worker? Then look at the bottom of those reasons. I think it will be interesting to see the underneath lying reasons. I would guess that they would be in line with Buddhism particularly if the underlying wish is a wish to get happy.
  • JasonJason God Emperor Arrakis Moderator
    edited January 2010
    I got the idea for this thread after reading the "Idiot Compassion" thread. The general consensus seemed to be that compassion for self-interested or greedy ends was something to be avoided. In other words, you have to have Right Intention when being compassionate.

    But does Intention really matter? If I openly give to charity, or hold doors for people, or walk old ladies across the street ONLY to impress people, is that really a bad thing? The end result is the same, isn't it? The money still goes to charity, the door is still open, and the old lady is safely on the other side and none the wiser that I was kind for selfish reasons.

    Here's a personal example. Last summer, i had the opportunity to volunteer and paint a house as charity for no pay. I wasn't particularly interested in being charitable that day (I would have rather have stayed home to recuperate from the rough week), but I went so that my boss would think better of me. Others went in the hopes of winning a raffle for a huge TV at the end of the day. When I think about it, the company as a whole decided to do the charity to garner business in the media and put out a positive image of itself. Maybe there were a few people who truly wanted to do the job for altruistic reasons.

    But at the end of the day, it didn't make any difference. Intention was irrelevant.

    Thoughts?

    The Buddha makes a distinction between compassion (karuna) and generosity (dana), and what you're talking about sounds more like generosity to me. The Buddha advised that a gift should be given "wherever the mind feels confidence" (SN 3.24), and that to get the most out of a gift, one should make a "donation endowed with six factors" (AN 6.37). In addition, I suggest listening to this talk by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.
  • PalzangPalzang Veteran
    edited January 2010
    Good point, Jason.

    Palzang
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