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Enlightenment

KnightofBuddhaKnightofBuddha
edited August 2005 in Buddhism Today
What is enlightenment to you? Do you believe you have attained it yet? How can it help us in everyday life? Comments please... :smilec:

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  • JasonJason God Emperor Arrakis Moderator
    edited August 2005
    My answer/ Supporting sutta

    Nibbana is not itself a phenomenon, but is the final end of phenomena.

    http://www.accesstoinsight.org/canon/sutta/anguttara/an10-058.html Anguttara Nikaya X.58 Mula Sutta

    Nibbana is freedom. Nibbana is the absence of craving, of greed, of hatred, and of delusion. Nibbana is the the complete release and ceasation of these things. In Nibbana there is no more fuel for becoming and birth, nor is there death. There is only elements going the way of elements. There is nothing beyond Nibbana to be reached living the holy life.

    http://www.accesstoinsight.org/canon/sutta/majjhima/mn-044-tb0.html#beyond Majjhima Nikaya 44 Cula-vedalla Sutta

    Nibbana is the foremost ease.

    http://www.accesstoinsight.org/canon/sutta/khuddaka/dhp/tb0/dhp-15-tb0.html#202 Dhammapada XV

    No, I have not yet reached the goal. Maybe one day...... ;)
  • comicallyinsanecomicallyinsane Veteran
    edited August 2005
    Sounds really boring.
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited August 2005
    Yes, much more boring than sitting around on floating clouds listening to harp music for eternity.

    -bf
  • comicallyinsanecomicallyinsane Veteran
    edited August 2005
    Yeah I agree. The harp would something to do at least. Let's go be Christians. LOL J/K
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited August 2005
    Well, if there does end up being a Christian god.... I'm going to be on the first bus. In fact, I'll probably be driving the bus!

    "All Aboard!"

    -bf
  • comicallyinsanecomicallyinsane Veteran
    edited August 2005
    No you would be burning in hell. You can't speak in tounges, remember?
  • JasonJason God Emperor Arrakis Moderator
    edited August 2005
    To you it sounds boring, to me it sounds refreshing.

    Ahhhhh.....no more suffering.

    Nibbana doesn't seem like much now, but I know I get a little scared and nervous when I imagine dying. Sometimes in meditation I will become aware of my heartbeat. When I do my mind will imagine it stopping suddenly. I then experience a feeling of pain and fear. My meditation pretty much stops when that happens. I'm still a little scared to continue when this arises. I know it's not real, but it is a frightening thought. When one reaches Nibbana, this fear will vanish. Not only will emotional pain not affect such a person, but even physical pain will not stir up the mind of one who is freed from all taints (and no Brian, I'm not talking about THAT taint either ;) ).

    You can have your harps, and clouds, and beautiful white wings. I'll take my final end of phenomena anyday. :lol:
  • comicallyinsanecomicallyinsane Veteran
    edited August 2005
    But we could start a rock band. LOL. Suffering doesn't bother me so much anymore. Before I started on this journey it did. Now I am more at peace than ever. :)
  • JasonJason God Emperor Arrakis Moderator
    edited August 2005
    A band huh? Hmm. Jason and the Five Aggregates.......or The Kilesas......who gets to be the lead singer?
  • comicallyinsanecomicallyinsane Veteran
    edited August 2005
    Not me. I can't sing. We will be a harp band though. LOL Maybe turn them into piano and guitar with some conversion.
  • JasonJason God Emperor Arrakis Moderator
    edited August 2005
    Hahaha sign me up then!
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited August 2005
    Heaven as a jam session? Sign me up, too! Who's bringing the beer?
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited August 2005
    dibs on the bass.

    -bf
  • comicallyinsanecomicallyinsane Veteran
    edited August 2005
    We have to become Christian first, I think.
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited August 2005
    comicallyinsane wrote:
    We have to become Christian first, I think.

    We were doing just fine on the band thing until you opened your yap and pointed out the obvious, Comic.

    Buzzkill.

    -bf
  • comicallyinsanecomicallyinsane Veteran
    edited August 2005
    :hiding:
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited August 2005
    "In my Father's House there are many mansions". Can't we just pretend to be christians and creep in thru' the tradesmen's entrance? I'll be happy to fill the rôle of backing singer, by the way... shoobedoobeshoowap doo waaay....! :rocker: :bigclap: :lol:
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited August 2005
    federica wrote:
    "In my Father's House there are many mansions". Can't we just pretend to be christians and creep in thru' the tradesmen's entrance? I'll be happy to fill the rôle of backing singer, by the way... shoobedoobeshoowap doo waaay....! :rocker: :bigclap: :lol:

    Maybe we could just call our band "The Gardeners". When we come to the gates and St. Peter says, "What are you lot doing up here?"
    "Uhh... we're uh... the gardeners, sir."
    "Oh!, great! C'mon in. The clouds need a good mowing."
    Sneak in, set up a Mosh Cloud - then it's Rock On, baby! Rock on! :rockon:

    -bf
  • YogaMamaYogaMama
    edited August 2005
    You guys are cracking me up!!! Talk about a thread going off topic! :) I can't sing or dance, but maybe when we get to St. Peter at the gates, I could do some cool yoga moves and impress him enough so that he lets us in. Or better yet...have any of you seen "Napoleon Dynamite"? I have, so I could use my "Rex Kwando" to just beat him up and then we could sneak in!
  • YogaMamaYogaMama
    edited August 2005
    buddhafoot wrote:
    Sneak in, set up a Mosh Cloud - then it's Rock On, baby! Rock on! :rockon:

    -bf

    I think we need to all have mullets when we get there for this! :mullet:
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited August 2005
    YogaMama wrote:
    You guys are cracking me up!!! Talk about a thread going off topic! :) I can't sing or dance, but maybe when we get to St. Peter at the gates, I could do some cool yoga moves and impress him enough so that he lets us in. Or better yet...have any of you seen "Napoleon Dynamite"? I have, so I could use my "Rex Kwando" to just beat him up and then we could sneak in!

    So you're a Cage Fighter?

    -bf
  • YogaMamaYogaMama
    edited August 2005
    "At Rex Kwan Do, we use the buddy system. No more flying solo. You need somebody watching your back at all times. Second off, you're gonna learn to discipline your image. You think I got where I am today because I dressed like Peter Pan over here?
    Take a look at what I'm wearing, people. You think anybody wants a roundhouse kick to the face while I'm wearing these bad boys? Forget about it. Last off, my students will learn about self respect. You think anybody thinks I'm a failure because I go home to Starla at night? Forget about it!"

    My husband truly used to be a cage fighter! :)
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited August 2005
    meanwhile, back at the ranch, the natives were geting restless....

    BuddhaFoot, what the heck am I supposed to do with all these cloud-trimmings now? you know they won't rot on the compost heap!!
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited August 2005
    YogaMama wrote:
    You guys are cracking me up!!! Talk about a thread going off topic! :) !

    Forgive me YogaMama, but how have we gone off topic? the nightclub, heaven-side, we're playing the gig at tonight is called "The Hip-Hop Enlightenment Dive-bar'... It's a really cool place...you hit a bum note? So what?! you forget the lyrics? Who cares?! You've booked a table for six people and you turn up with twenty?! No problem!! They run out of beer?! Big deal!! (Actually, that one is serious.....!)
    Enlightenment? It's all about "So when's the next gig?"
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited August 2005
    federica wrote:
    meanwhile, back at the ranch, the natives were geting restless....

    BuddhaFoot, what the heck am I supposed to do with all these cloud-trimmings now? you know they won't rot on the compost heap!!

    roll 'em and smoke 'em?

    jah mon. www.claymohr.com/gifs/bong.gif

    -bf
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited August 2005
    try that again...

    jah mon? <img src=http://www.claymohr.com/gifs/bong.gif&gt;

    -bf
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited August 2005
    jah? mon?
  • YogaMamaYogaMama
    edited August 2005
    you need to quit rolling 'em and smokin 'em, buddhafoot.
  • YogaMamaYogaMama
    edited August 2005
    federica wrote:
    Forgive me YogaMama, but how have we gone off topic? the nightclub, heaven-side, we're playing the gig at tonight is called "The Hip-Hop Enlightenment Dive-bar'... It's a really cool place...you hit a bum note? So what?! you forget the lyrics? Who cares?! You've booked a table for six people and you turn up with twenty?! No problem!! They run out of beer?! Big deal!! (Actually, that one is serious.....!)
    Enlightenment? It's all about "So when's the next gig?"

    What was I thinking.....you are right! :rocker:
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