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challenging egos

edited February 2010 in Buddhism Basics
if the ego is something like a monster that occupies the head by force, then drawing the ego from its cave and lighting its fur on fire with the fire of buddha dharma is a bodhisattva's duty! this is such a violent image but the ego beast is set on fire with love, ha ha ha, and the demon which inhabits a being's head is the demon, not the person themself. it is in love for the person that whatever taints them be drawn out and cleansed. what does everybody think of this? we generally interact with the same people from day to day, so we know to some degree their particular habits and character, and thus also what ails them whether ignorance, greed or anger or anything else. this doesn't mean criticizing people obsessively in our head about what's wrong with them and what we think they need, but rationally and compassionately assessing the ways we believe we can help others around us, and taking direct action to confront their problems. the more we know someone, the more we can understand what kind of monster lives inside their head, and finally the more we are able to devise a suitable trap. there are tons of different monsters. some are cyclops, some are yetis, some are chimeras, some are vampires, some are boogeymen . ha ha ha!

Comments

  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited February 2010
    You just have to catch the ego as 'just thinking'.
  • DeshyDeshy Veteran
    edited February 2010
    I don't get this post :(
  • edited February 2010
    Deshy wrote: »
    I don't get this post :(
    our friends and our families and our acquaintances and coworkers not to mention ourselves all have hang-ups. these problems and negative traits we generally, collectively refer to as egos, you know, and i am saying instead of dealing with these problems as constructively as we can only when they arise, instead we try to lure out these 'defilements', and take an active approach to ego, without waking up the bee hive. like political activism, but with the mind.
    activists are to a government what dharma is to ego.
  • edited February 2010
    I imagine this may be a bodhisattva/buddha thing in which one perceives (imagines) a harmful defilement of another and with the intention of freeing them from the suffering, caused by the defilement, acts to draw that defilement out into the light where it may be clearly 'seen' and dealt with.

    So, in engaging in this behavior there is always the risk that I, in my deluded (defiled) state, can't really know other's defilements and am simply messing with others heads/emotions based on those delusions (my own defilements).

    This is where I need (must have) friends and mentors more advanced in training to help me clearly see when I'm just mucking around in my own crap and when I'm really accomplishing the intention to help others.

    I imagine that's why my teachers/mentors often simply tell me to go back to the cushion. It's because I'm not really clearly 'seeing' the other's crap but my own and imagining it as the other's crap cuz I'm deluded and seeing the other through my own crap-filled lens.

    It takes a lot of time and effort in concentration and meditation training to even begin to have a very tiny bit of clarity about such things. It then takes a lot more time and effort in the dance with circumstances, including others, to begin to know what's other's crap when we see it, and this is far easier than 'seeing' my own!!

    I imagine that's why it's said that only Buddhas and high level Bodhisattvas can do this kind of stuff with any sort of skill, the rest of us are just kinda blindly trying to help others and all to often only succeeding in increasing potential harm.

    That being said - I imagine it's important not to give-up. As I've also heard "practice makes perfect" "fake it til you make it" etc, etc, etc. I simply tell myself that I can't know if what I do for other's benefit is really beneficial. I guess the proof of that has to appear in future results, the future circumstances of our relationship.

    It's all just a great experiment - don't get too attached!!

    Don't know if there was a question or if this blah blah blah answered one!! But it was kinda fun prattlin' on here a bit. Thank You!

    :):):)
  • edited February 2010
    haha, yes, good points brother bob
  • edited February 2010
    Hi Pietro,

    You up late too!

    That's why I like to visit with people like Kyogen, Roshi at DRZC (on Madison) and Hogen, Sensi at Great Vow out in Clatskanie, they're good at poking holes in delusion.

    P.S. Kakumyo at DRZC is also pretty good at this stuff.

    :):):)
  • edited February 2010
    are you talking about dharma rain, right? i haven't been to any zen centers around here yet.
  • edited February 2010
    Yup! If you go there, see if you can hook-up with Kakumyo. He's the real deal! I recommend just calling and asking to meet with Kakumyo, cuz he was recommended. I'm pretty sure he'll be happy to meet with you.

    :buck::buck::buck:
  • edited February 2010
    yeah, i'll have to go over there soon, i'm about to make some money, i've been unemployed for a coon's age. i've never met any very serious buddhists before. HA HA!! it should be fun.
  • edited February 2010
    Happy to hear it. There are good programs in the evenings there and I imagine Kakumyo is around during the day also, just in case you work during the evening.

    It don't take no money, just willingness and effort to contact them and show-up!! :D
  • Floating_AbuFloating_Abu Veteran
    edited February 2010
    if the ego is something like a monster that occupies the head by force, then drawing the ego from its cave and lighting its fur on fire with the fire of buddha dharma is a bodhisattva's duty! this is such a violent image but the ego beast is set on fire with love, ha ha ha, and the demon which inhabits a being's head is the demon, not the person themself. it is in love for the person that whatever taints them be drawn out and cleansed. what does everybody think of this? we generally interact with the same people from day to day, so we know to some degree their particular habits and character, and thus also what ails them whether ignorance, greed or anger or anything else. this doesn't mean criticizing people obsessively in our head about what's wrong with them and what we think they need, but rationally and compassionately assessing the ways we believe we can help others around us, and taking direct action to confront their problems. the more we know someone, the more we can understand what kind of monster lives inside their head, and finally the more we are able to devise a suitable trap. there are tons of different monsters. some are cyclops, some are yetis, some are chimeras, some are vampires, some are boogeymen . ha ha ha!

    Always: Practice first, liberation first. Leave the imaginings aside.
  • edited February 2010
    imagination is synonymous with practice! imaginings nothing! ha ha! in this world the three poisons are the most real things in the world.
  • Floating_AbuFloating_Abu Veteran
    edited February 2010
    in this world the three poisons are the most real things in the world.

    What a sad thing to think

    But of course you are most entitled :)
  • edited February 2010
    thank you, i grant myself only the saddest thoughts. tell me, abu, did you learn zazen from a baboon, or do your posts always stink like this?
  • Floating_AbuFloating_Abu Veteran
    edited February 2010
    They stink sometimes, always would be a gross exaggeration methinks :) Although that would certainly be in the eye of the beholder too lol
  • edited February 2010
    I imagine :D Of course, imagining as creating images in mind. I also imagine that this activity my be suspended as one achieves bare perception of objects without images. Hum? So how does one convey ideas, like in words here, without imagining?

    Especially as words are labels ascribed to ideas.

    So how do I interact with you all without imagining? :confused:

    Oh, of course, it's the direct mind to mind transmission outside of words thing!!!

    Ah, Zen :):):)
  • edited February 2010
    last NIGHT i imagined i was so hungry that i put some salt on my overalls and ATE THEM, ha HA!
    They stink sometimes, always would be a gross exaggeration methinks :) Although that would certainly be in the eye of the beholder too lol
    yeah it would be an exaggeration, when i said the three poisons in this world are the most real things we know i meant delusion is so prevalent that it is basically the de facto reality, which IS a very sad thing to think. this is why bums sleep in the winter freeze and wars spread along with death and disease.
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