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Zen

edited February 2010 in Buddhism Basics
Hey all, I just started learning about Zen. I went to a zen center yesterday, and I really liked the friendly atmosphere of the people in it, even though their rituals and traditions were very strange to me.

I met with the teacher and he asked me if I knew much about Zen. I said not much. He told me just to focus on my breathing when I'm meditating.

But its really friggin hard! My thoughts just pop up and I can't help but be distracted by things like my dog barking and stuff. I really want to get the most out of meditation. Any tips?

The only thing I can say is that I do feel a great deal calmer when I'm done meditating.

Comments

  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited February 2010
    Its not so much never drifting off. But always coming back to the point. If you are light hearted when you drift off it is better. When you are very heavy that will make the mind more distracted, spaced out, and even suffering.
  • edited February 2010
    Don't get upset about having thoughts, reactions, etc. The brain is basically a bodily organ that secretes thoughts...or at least that's how a Zen monk put it to me at my first retreat.

    Welcome to the board. :)
  • ValtielValtiel Veteran
    edited February 2010
    But its really friggin hard! My thoughts just pop up and I can't help but be distracted by things like my dog barking and stuff. I really want to get the most out of meditation. Any tips?

    Yes: just keep bringing your attention back to the breath. If not for those pesky lil thoughts that you're clinging to, there would be no point in meditation. Meditation is a process and:
    But its really friggin hard!

    ...it sounds like you've already gotten a lot out of it.

    Thoughts are just a natural function of the brain. Like hearing, seeing, tasting, etc. are natural, automatic functions. Thoughts aren't the problem. Getting caught up in them, clinging to them, (or to sights, sounds, smells, etc.) is the problem. Anything you're labeling as a distraction right now is really just an opportunity for practice practice - to let go of.
  • edited February 2010
    I do think I'm getting something out of the meditation. For instance, I live at home with my mom and I was going to snap at her over something silly but I caught myself midway and just responded to her calmly. This was right after I meditated that this happened.

    But I can't tell if it's from the meditation or if it's just me thinking that it's working. It's kinda difficult to describe my feelings about it. I guess in a way it doesn't matter, if it works. My goal is to become a better person and be happier.
  • edited February 2010
    You may say the following (out loud or mentally):

    Breathing in, I know that I'm breathing in
    Breathing out, I know that I'm breathing out
    In on the in breath
    Out on the out breath
    In, Out, In, Out

    Breathing in, the air goes deep
    Breathing out, I feel calm
    Deep on the in breath
    Calm on the out breath
    Deep, Calm, Deep, Calm

    There's more. Check it out http://www.mindfulnessbell.org/articles/sitting1.htm
  • Floating_AbuFloating_Abu Veteran
    edited February 2010
    BlackFlag wrote: »
    Hey all, I just started learning about Zen. I went to a zen center yesterday, and I really liked the friendly atmosphere of the people in it, even though their rituals and traditions were very strange to me.

    I met with the teacher and he asked me if I knew much about Zen. I said not much. He told me just to focus on my breathing when I'm meditating.

    But its really friggin hard! My thoughts just pop up and I can't help but be distracted by things like my dog barking and stuff.
    I really want to get the most out of meditation. Any tips?

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    It is in the mud that the lotus grows.

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  • edited February 2010
    BlackFlag wrote: »
    I do think I'm getting something out of the meditation. For instance, I live at home with my mom and I was going to snap at her over something silly but I caught myself midway and just responded to her calmly. This was right after I meditated that this happened.

    But I can't tell if it's from the meditation or if it's just me thinking that it's working. It's kinda difficult to describe my feelings about it. I guess in a way it doesn't matter, if it works. My goal is to become a better person and be happier.
    i wouldn't doubt it, it is working. even if you were just DELUDING yourself that you were calmer, that itself is meditation working, i would say. any practice that is firm and honest will produce positive and noticeable results. also be careful when handling anger, i don't know for sure if this is true or not, but i theorize that if you stop short anger you may be, while still soothing your mind at the moment, be putting those shoots of anger in a vault where they don't disappear forever but lie dormant until they find another time to arise. so when you are angry, don't be afraid to express its full breadth, but try to keep it from other people's ears if it is to have a negative effect. not saying this is what happens, but just in case. it's good to let anger let off all of its steam.
  • edited February 2010
    I am reminded of the parable of the lute. If your mind is to taught you cant meditatet if it is to lose then you cant meditate. Try to relax one pointedly and the maturity of practice will come in time.

    The key in meditation is not to not think, but to not chase your own thoughts into delusion. As you develop one pointed meditation and you chase your thoughts less and less fewer thoughts will arise untill true clarity arises. Commit to sit and all of this will happen.

    Shikan taza means "just sitting" so when you sit, just sit. This is the whole practice. If you can just sit fully then you are one pointedly meditating. Its very simple but not so easy. Sitting and thinking is not just siting, siting and breating is noy just siting, siting and meditating is not just siting. So shikan taza is exactly that.

    Remember peace serenity and happiness are a consequence of practice not a result. If you focus one them (or anything for that matter) as the goal or result of practice then their impermanance will lead you into delusion. So just sit and focus on breath and posture keeping no particular goal or result or consequence in mind. This is the begining of one pointedness.

    Best of luck

    Pace
    Alex
  • NamelessRiverNamelessRiver Veteran
    edited February 2010
    But its really friggin hard! My thoughts just pop up and I can't help but be distracted by things like my dog barking and stuff. I really want to get the most out of meditation. Any tips?

    Tenzin Palmo was giving this Dharma Talk and she was talking about her time in the cave in Tibet. In a part of the year there would be shepherds coming near her cave. Once she saw a boy that was inexperient taking the sheep from place to place quickly and trying as hard as he could to keep them all together. At the end the sheep didn't eat well, he was stressed and tired.

    Then she saw an old man doing the same, except he would go to a higher place and let the sheep eat grass freely. He was relaxed and the sheep well fed.

    The point is you do not need to have this idea of disappearing into your breath. When you relax and let the thoughts come and go freely, and you don't get stuck on the idea that you are doing it wrong, or that it's too hard, your mind naturally becomes more calm. Have a good posture, relax, breath in and breath out. If it is still too hard, just count. Don't give yourself a hard time when thoughts pop up or you get distracted.
  • jinzangjinzang Veteran
    edited February 2010
    Your experience is typical. Keep practicing, you're on the right track.
  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited February 2010
    BlackFlag wrote: »
    But its really friggin hard! My thoughts just pop up and I can't help but be distracted by things like my dog barking and stuff. I really want to get the most out of meditation. Any tips?

    It is normal for thoughts to keep popping up, or for things to bother you and distract you. Being bothered and distracted and coming back again, then being bother and distracted, and coming back again...that is the process.
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