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ADHD / Low Self Esteem / Dyspraxia

I was just wondering about peoples experiences of Mental Health issues. I may have ADHD, the biggest problems being lack of concentration, poor listening, bad memory, and lack of motivation (which becomes a problem when meditating)

I feel that I am rubbish at most things and I have real trouble with simple things like making decisions and doing housework. I possibly have Dyspraxia (poor hand and eye coordination) and it will often take me 45 minutes to the washing up, and a normal person can do it in 15 minutes. I am so disorganised.

I often find I end up spending lots of time doing certain things that I know I am really good at. I am a world class internet DJ, I will spend several hours a day, listening to my work as it reminds me that I am good at something. I also spend a lot of time playing certain video games as on a few games I am in the top 100 out of 20 thousand, and on one game even half a million. Is it ok to keep endulging in things that you know you are good at, to stop yourself feeling bad about yourself.

Do any Buddhists have any experiences of overcoming ADHD, Dyspraxia or Low Self Esteem?

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  • edited February 2010
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  • CittaCitta Veteran
    edited February 2010
    You say that you may have ADHD silentmusic, has it been formally diagnosed ?
  • edited February 2010
    I was just wondering about peoples experiences of Mental Health issues. I may have ADHD, the biggest problems being lack of concentration, poor listening, bad memory, and lack of motivation (which becomes a problem when meditating)

    Hi sm

    I think I have ADHD too. I have been for some psyciaatry (I have another session tomorrow, in fact).

    I have the same symptoms as you, except for the lack of motivation. One thing that the doc said was that it is not ADHD unless it can be traced back to childhood (Tomorrow I have a letter to take from my parents about my abilities as a child etc).

    I would certainly go seek some professional help with this. One thing I find that can bring my mind ar rest for work, writing, meditation etc is chanting the diamoku, so you might wan to give that a go.
    I also spend a lot of time playing certain video games as on a few games I am in the top 100 out of 20 thousand, and on one game even half a million.

    I dont see that that is good for your situation, it might even be a cause of. I would look into that as well.

    If your concentration/focus issues are anything like mine I would imagine they are different to self esteem issues so maybe you can look to dividing those issues in your life and head and addressing each seperatly.

    I am sure Dharma can help with self esteem. I am not sure about ADHD:)

    Good luck and well wishes,

    Mat
  • edited February 2010
    I would suggest contemplations on anatta (in English, "not-self"). How familiar are you with the idea of anatta?
  • edited February 2010
    I have the same prob. Id like some help on this too. Seems its a little harder being buddhist when its hard to concentrate and keep motivation...
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  • edited February 2010
    Hi SilentMusic,

    As long as there is Buddha-dhamma in this world... there will always be kind and generous people lending a sympathetic ear to your troubles, listening to you with compassion, and giving comfort and encouragement. In this forum, you will find such friends... so keep in touch and let us know how things go from here.

    In addition to the advice already given in this thread, you should IMHO seek professional help as soon as possible... otherwise, we will be guessing the physical or mental causes of your 'illness'... and this might prove harmful to you. I wish you a speedy recovery. Take care :)

    With kind regards,
    Sukhita
  • edited February 2010
    I also have ADD/ADHD so I can relate silentmusic. I'm 30 and as far back as I can remember I suffered from lack of concentration, lack of motivation, bad listening skills, and terrible short-term memory(my long-term is amazing though). Growing up I often struggled to keep up on my school work and make decent grades. What sucks is I spent almost my entire life not knowing I had this condition. None of my teachers through the years or members of my family ever picked up on any of it either. They assumed that I was either lazy or I just didn't care which messed with my confidence and self esteem. It wasn't until I was 25 when I officially diagnosed with ADD/ADHD. At the moment I don't take any medications but I have taken Ritalin in the past which helped a little bit. I'm very new to Buddism and meditation and I too have trouble getting and staying motivated for meditation at times. My mind has a tendency to wander during meditation and I get frustrated. But from what I've read everyone has these problems when the are new to Buddism and meditation. I keep reminding my self this and that this is just the way it is right now and I have to keep working at it. Anyway, I hope this helps.

    Justin
  • edited February 2010
    Hi Silentmusic,

    I sympathise with your difficulties and suggest you seek some professional diagnosis and help which involves non-drug strategies.

    This website might be helpful for some information relating to dyspraxia. It's in the UK -and I don't know where you live -but it should still give you an idea of the kind of advice available for dyspraxia.

    http://www.dyspraxiafoundation.org.uk/services/ad_advice.php


    Kind wishes,

    Dazzle

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  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited February 2010
    I was just wondering about peoples experiences of Mental Health issues. I may have ADHD, the biggest problems being lack of concentration, poor listening, bad memory, and lack of motivation (which becomes a problem when meditating)

    I feel that I am rubbish at most things and I have real trouble with simple things like making decisions and doing housework. I possibly have Dyspraxia (poor hand and eye coordination) and it will often take me 45 minutes to the washing up, and a normal person can do it in 15 minutes. I am so disorganised.

    I often find I end up spending lots of time doing certain things that I know I am really good at. I am a world class internet DJ, I will spend several hours a day, listening to my work as it reminds me that I am good at something. I also spend a lot of time playing certain video games as on a few games I am in the top 100 out of 20 thousand, and on one game even half a million. Is it ok to keep endulging in things that you know you are good at, to stop yourself feeling bad about yourself.

    Do any Buddhists have any experiences of overcoming ADHD, Dyspraxia or Low Self Esteem?
    hi silentmusic.


    Our son has ADHD, and has just recently been diagnosed with (mild)Tourettes. He takes medication for the ADHD, and we strive to reduce the anxiety related to the symproms of Tourettes. The upshot here is that the developmental issues do not limit his capacity for Samadhi or the development of wisdom. He is already wiser than I. There is a skillful means to suit all. there is nothing preventing you from walking this path all the way.
  • edited July 2010
    Same problem here. Also with a heavy dose of compulsions regarding video games.
  • NomaDBuddhaNomaDBuddha Scalpel wielder :) Bucharest Veteran
    edited July 2010
    I was just wondering about peoples experiences of Mental Health issues. I may have ADHD, the biggest problems being lack of concentration, poor listening, bad memory, and lack of motivation (which becomes a problem when meditating)

    I feel that I am rubbish at most things and I have real trouble with simple things like making decisions and doing housework. I possibly have Dyspraxia (poor hand and eye coordination) and it will often take me 45 minutes to the washing up, and a normal person can do it in 15 minutes. I am so disorganised.

    I often find I end up spending lots of time doing certain things that I know I am really good at. I am a world class internet DJ, I will spend several hours a day, listening to my work as it reminds me that I am good at something. I also spend a lot of time playing certain video games as on a few games I am in the top 100 out of 20 thousand, and on one game even half a million. Is it ok to keep endulging in things that you know you are good at, to stop yourself feeling bad about yourself.

    Do any Buddhists have any experiences of overcoming ADHD, Dyspraxia or Low Self Esteem?

    Low Self Esteem and lack of motivation, are the ones I (partially) overcome.

    Low Self Esteem- why do you regard yourself as an inferior person ? You might be different from the rest...No! You are different from the rest.
    I had the same problem, I was practically mocked by my classmates, until I said to myself ( while meditating): " Who am I ? A slave like those friends? A cloned mentality , like others' ? Nope! I am myself. I am a king, a king that conquers everything !". Well, the thing is, that it sounds strange...but well, this is what went through my mind that time.

    With the lack of motivation...you should think it this way : " If you hesitate, you die. If you refuse, you age.( <-- taken from anime series Bleach).". This is what keeps me motivated, the fear of "getting killed" ( although I don't die in reality if I fail).

    P.S.: Those thing sound strange, but as I said, this is how they sounded and looked in my mind, at that time...
  • chanrattchanratt Veteran
    edited July 2010
    i was diagnosed a few years ago and was taking add medication for a couple of years. recently i decided to go naturale and rely on meditation and eastern wisdom to calm my chattering head. well, that's not exactly working how i wanted it to so i am, atm, considering starting the medication again but in much lower doses. problem is, i 'can' meditate but i can't get through a book to save my life.
  • AllbuddhaBoundAllbuddhaBound Veteran
    edited July 2010
    The symptoms can be magnified if you are hard on yourself. Try a little tenderness with yourself. You need as much compassion as anyone else and if you can't even give yourself that, you can feed into the cycle.
  • edited July 2010
    The symptoms can be magnified if you are hard on yourself. Try a little tenderness with yourself. You need as much compassion as anyone else and if you can't even give yourself that, you can feed into the cycle.

    This is where I am right now. I had anxiety for quite a few years. I was a workaholic, very hard on myself, a perfectionist. Then I had a break where I went 5 days without sleep. Finally I got treatment for anxiety, including a psychiatrist. I'm much better these days, but I still have similar cycles. Play video games, stay up late, don't look hard enough for work (horrible job market here), feel guilty, spend the next 3 days looking for jobs constantly, feel bad for ignoring my wife, spend some time with her, relax, get stressed, video games, rinse, repeat... :(:(:(
  • NamelessRiverNamelessRiver Veteran
    edited July 2010
    Same problem here. Also with a heavy dose of compulsions regarding video games.

    That is what I don't understand. How can you sit hours playing video games if you have ADHD?
  • aMattaMatt Veteran
    edited July 2010
    That is what I don't understand. How can you sit hours playing video games if you have ADHD?

    That's a common happening described with ADHD minds... they can sit and watch television or play video games for hours.
  • edited July 2010
    That is what I don't understand. How can you sit hours playing video games if you have ADHD?

    Never said I have ADHD. Just could understand all the other symptoms. Low self esteem, easily distracted, etc. Part of it in my case is that I can spin endlessly thinking about not playing them. Yes, you read that right.
  • NamelessRiverNamelessRiver Veteran
    edited July 2010
    That's a common happening described with ADHD minds... they can sit and watch television or play video games for hours.

    That is actually really interesting. You can focus a lot on some things and not on others? Someone tried to tag me with that label but I didn't take the time to understand it.
    Part of it in my case is that I can spin endlessly thinking about not playing them.

    You mean like "I shouldn't do this, I will resist it" and then you are back playing it?
  • chanrattchanratt Veteran
    edited July 2010
    That is what I don't understand. How can you sit hours playing video games if you have ADHD?

    that seemed to be the only thing i could focus on. quite common with add'ers from what i hear
  • aMattaMatt Veteran
    edited July 2010
    That is actually really interesting. You can focus a lot on some things and not on others? Someone tried to tag me with that label but I didn't take the time to understand it.

    If you can imagine the difference between watching a bunch of popcorn popping vs watching a pot boil. One has a continual stream of 'new', observable phenomena, vs the other, where the mind has to wait for an event to ripen.

    There seems to be a difficulty in patience and continuity, rather than an inability to consistently observe... but the mental mechanizations are speculative, rather than proven.
  • edited July 2010
    That is actually really interesting. You can focus a lot on some things and not on others? Someone tried to tag me with that label but I didn't take the time to understand it.



    You mean like "I shouldn't do this, I will resist it" and then you are back playing it?

    Sort of. Typical cycle when things are going bad would be this.

    - Play video games or keep checking and re-checking Facebook / message boards until 4am. My wife is mad at me and frustrated (although loving and understanding in the end).

    - Wake up at 10am tired and filled with self-loathing vowing to ride my bike, pound the pavement (the job thing), learn new stuff for my career (software engineer) and get on with it.

    - Decide to play "just one video game".

    - 2 hours later I've become more and more angry with myself to the point where I'm filled with self-loathing. I should be biking, I should be reading a book, I should be writing (used to write short stories), I should be meditating, I haven't taken my medication for the day yet, I haven't taken a shower.

    - Get up, start getting ready and get online. Surf for a while, get stuck for a couple more hours.

    - More frustrated at myself, start Googling about medication, meditation (sites like this one I just stumbled upon) to see if there is something I can do that a previous psychiatrist hasn't thought of.

    - About 3pm I finally take a shower and go about my day.

    - Wife comes home around 7

    - Work on my laptop while we watch TV, look for jobs, etc.

    - She goes to bed, I feel like garbage and either sit up thinking about what to do and why I can't get a grip or play video games and forget it. About 40% of those nights you can sub in working on learning new skills / side projects.

    - Wake up at 11 am, rinse, repeat.

    So I probably play like 3 or 4 hours a day on the bad days. Spend a lot of time on the Internet hating myself and trying to find out if I'm alone and what to do. 3 out of 4 days of the week I manage to pop up at 8, get on my bike and have a fairly normal day. Sometimes I'll go a couple weeks like that. Then I will have an awful week where it's like that for 7 or 8 straight days.
  • NamelessRiverNamelessRiver Veteran
    edited July 2010
    It seems it works like this: self loathing -> video game\internet -> self loathing -> video game\internet

    I had a similar pattern: anger -> thinks up a lot of situations on how to get even\ how the other person is evil\etc -> anger -> thinks up some more situations -> anger -> so on.

    Life is full of such annoying cycles. What eases our pain ends up causing more pain in the end.

    As I see it there are 2 ways to break that chain of events. Either you get rid of the self-loathing or find a way to limit the internet and maybe get rid of the video games for a while. Doing it both ways would be better.

    As for the self loathing you could develop loving kindness towards yourself and others (thinking about other people is very important to get us out of a rut, methinks). As for the video game just ask for someone to keep it in their house, and as for the internet I suppose you could just block websites like facebook and ask someone else to set a password you don't know.

    For the gloogling about meditation and medication...you say you want to read a book right? So instead of googling about it, just get a physical book about those subjects and set your mind to read them when you feel like googling.

    As for the biking, just make yourself just go there and sit on the bike. I'm not kidding. Just go and sit on it for 1 minute. You might not start biking right away, but it's a seed. Seeds are supposed to be small anyways.

    I know it all sounds rather silly and not buddhist, but I just wanted to share my thoughts.
  • edited July 2010

    So I probably play like 3 or 4 hours a day on the bad days. Spend a lot of time on the Internet hating myself and trying to find out if I'm alone and what to do. 3 out of 4 days of the week I manage to pop up at 8, get on my bike and have a fairly normal day. Sometimes I'll go a couple weeks like that. Then I will have an awful week where it's like that for 7 or 8 straight days.

    It can be really hard to feel effective when your routine changes, such as when you're looking for a new job. Don't beat yourself up! Cheer on your efforts, including the small ones. :D
  • AllbuddhaBoundAllbuddhaBound Veteran
    edited July 2010
    I think a commitment to someone else may help. Someone who can hold you accountable. Lets' say you commit to volunteering at a time that would not allow you to sink into old habits. Just breaking up the routine can help and having to follow through provides a little more incentive. Doing something for someone else is also very helpful with self-esteem issues.
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