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Everything part of the mind?

edited March 2010 in Buddhism Basics
I was just wondering, I've read that in Tibetan Buddhism, and other Buddhist traditions, everything is seen as being, ultimately, unreal and that all the Wrathful deities and other beings that are described are actually a part of your own mind, but, I was just wondering if this was true?, like, would everything be, ultimately, a part of your own mind, including beings we might think of as objective (like deities, if they are real, etc).

Anyway, I hope that made some sense, and thanks for any help.

David

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  • NamelessRiverNamelessRiver Veteran
    edited March 2010
    and that all the Wrathful deities and other beings that are described are actually a part of your own mind

    As far as the deities go they are like archetypes of the enlightened mind. In the practice you visualize yourself as being one of them.

    It goes like this: for some people coffee sucks, for others its an addiction.The problem is not with the coffee, it just is what it is. Your mind adds an extra characteristic to it and you behave accordingly.

    The same way, we view ourselves as possing a list of characteristics that we identify with, we call it 'I'. If you view yourself as a tantra deity, an enlightened being, you start behaving like one.

    The color, the number of arms, the weapons...all that has a significance as well. For example, some of them have a spear with three heads on it, a skull for ignorance, a shrunken head for aversion I think, and another for craving.

    The extra characteristics we add to thinks get us stuck in samsara, and you can imagine just how much energy we invest in them. The point of tantra is to use our tendency to do that in order to push us forward.
    I was just wondering, I've read that in Tibetan Buddhism, and other Buddhist traditions, everything is seen as being, ultimately, unreal

    Well that is too broad of a question. If you are new at Buddhism I suggest you to not worry about that. If you are really interested look into concepts like anatta and shunyata or the Yogacara school of Buddhism.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited March 2010
    All conditions are mind-wrought.
    Everything ultimately is composed of what your mind makes it to be.....
  • edited March 2010
    The Buddha referred to the mind as the creator of all things. Citing the luminous and pure nature of consciousness.
  • DhammaDhatuDhammaDhatu Veteran
    edited March 2010
    As far as the deities go they are like archetypes of the enlightened mind. In the practice you visualize yourself as being one of them.
    Visualise being the avatar. :lol:

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    The same way, we view ourselves as possing a list of characteristics that we identify with, we call it 'I'. If you view yourself as a tantra deity, an enlightened being, you start behaving like one.
    Not really. One cannot immitate dispassion & the cessation of craving & fear. One cannot immitate abiding in jhanas. One cannot immitate emptiness. One cannot immitate liberation.

    Practising imitatio Christi is merely a moral practise.
    The color, the number of arms, the weapons...all that has a significance as well. For example, some of them have a spear with three heads on it, a skull for ignorance, a shrunken head for aversion I think, and another for craving.
    Sounds like dharma for children who read comic books. Have you studied the Jataka Tales?
    Well that is too broad of a question. If you are new at Buddhism I suggest you to not worry about that. If you are really interested look into concepts like anatta and shunyata or the Yogacara school of Buddhism.
    So you are not "new" to Buddhism, have realised anatta and shunyata and moving onto something higher?

    :)
  • edited March 2010
    dhamma datu! where are your manners?
  • DhammaDhatuDhammaDhatu Veteran
    edited March 2010
    :lol:
  • edited March 2010
    :(
  • DhammaDhatuDhammaDhatu Veteran
    edited March 2010
    Zen idiot, per se.

    :crazy:
  • edited March 2010
    john travolta, per sow
  • edited March 2010
    :lol:



    Love the new avatar DD . Hilarious ! :uphand:





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  • not1not2not1not2 Veteran
    edited March 2010
    Just thought I'd throw this in the mix:

    76. The Stone Mind

    Hogen, a Chinese Zen teacher, lived alone in a small temple in the country. One day four traveling monks appeared and asked if they might make a fire in his yard to warm themselves.

    While they were building the fire, Hogen heard them arguing about subjectivity and objectivity. He joined them and said: "There is a big stone. Do you consider it to be inside or outside your mind?"

    One of the monks replied: "From the Buddhist viewpoint everything is an objectification of mind, so I would say that the stone is inside my mind."

    "Your head must feel very heavy," observed Hogen, "if you are carrying around a stone like that in your mind."
  • DairyLamaDairyLama Veteran Veteran
    edited March 2010
    Mike wrote: »
    The Buddha referred to the mind as the creator of all things. Citing the luminous and pure nature of consciousness.

    I'm not familiar with that, have you got a sutta reference? Or are you talking about the first verse of the Dhammapada?

    P
  • edited March 2010
    David_2009 wrote: »
    I was just wondering, I've read that in Tibetan Buddhism, and other Buddhist traditions, everything is seen as being, ultimately, unreal and that all the Wrathful deities and other beings that are described are actually a part of your own mind, but, I was just wondering if this was true?, like, would everything be, ultimately, a part of your own mind, including beings we might think of as objective (like deities, if they are real, etc).

    Anyway, I hope that made some sense, and thanks for any help.

    David

    Perhaps the Buddha means that there is no ultimate crossover between the subjective and the objective. He see's that barrier that has tormented us for eons and realises that "our side" of it is illusion.

    Something can be illusion with or without there being any objective world. This is perhaps an important distinction for us?
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