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Have a break? Kill an orang-utan!
Love-N-Peace
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Ok, I'm outraged. But why are people surprised that global, multi-national obscenely wealthy massive companies are involved in things like this?
Nestle have courted controversy many times before. You think they give a damn? Try boycotting their products and seeing how empty your trolley is at the end of your shopping trip.
They don't just do chocolate.....talk about fingers in pies.
No, not literally (though I wopuldn't put it past them....:D) they produce so many things in your supermarket, you'd be amazed.....and it's not just the Orang-outangs... they exploit people, too....
Love & Peace
Jellybean
My family and pets better get hibernating LOL!
Just before I got to the USS Enterprise a few years ago, they'd spent the vast majority of their 4-month surge following the Rainbow Warrior around, not supporting OIF or OEF that we supposedly desperately needed resources for.
What do you mean by 'it is listed as a "terrorist organization"'? Lol!! That's absolutely ridiculous. One of the funnier things I've heard over the years though.
Exactly what 'list' is this?
And do you understand that Greenpeace is a non-violent organization?
Green........peace?
I think you might be confusing Greenpeace with the Sea Shepherds.
What do you want to be when you grow up?
4 year old me:
A tewowist
They're only terrorists to pollution, they don't go around saying
'You better turn green,
or we'll blow up the queen.'
BTW If you want to help further in the link I think you send a letter of complaint to Nestle if you like. Don't forget to add gunpowder
Love & Peace
Jellybean
P.S.
Are you a Greenpeace supporter Boo?
I think it's great that you are taking a stand against unethical palm oil production.
This is something I'm actively doing too. I donate to the Orangutans and e-mail companies to find out what oil they use.
Allied Bakeries UK told me directly that they also use a variable supply source of palm oil in their products. I think a lot of bakeries do. I intend to dig out the breadmaker again and make my own.
I certainly wouldn't mind buying the products if they could guarantee it is ethically farmed but they told me they can't, shocking really.
P.S. A lot of ready made, ready to eat processed chicken/meat products are also made using palm oil (for any meat eaters out there) and a surprising amount of spreads.
No, Boo, Greenpeace is truly considered a terrorist organization by the EU. That's because they interfere with commerce on the high seas! Commerce meaning the wanton slaughter of whales and other intelligent beings. And of course, there's nothing worse than interfering with commerce to a capitalist. It is now quite easy for governments (in this case the European Union) to label anyone they choose to as "terrorists" under the loosened laws that were passed in response to terrorism. The US also considers them terrorists for their actions at the US-Spanish naval base at Rota, Spain, where some Greenpeace activists attempted to disrupt base activities to protest the Navy ships from there that were supporting the war in Iraq.
Palzang
"Green Peace" can call itself what it likes (According to EU legislation) but that doesn't alter the perception European Law has of them, and the fact that they fit the legal definition of a terrorist.
Well, it was 10 years before 911 that I worked for them so I'm pretty out of touch with the post 911 legalities of it all.
But Fede, the link you provided says this: This doesn't apply to Greenpeace at all.
I know Greenpeace will commit misdemeanors like trespassing laws to hang banners and so forth like they did when they were able to climb the Parliament Buildings in Ottawa recently (which was hilarious!).
When it comes to the oceans they don't commit any acts of violence against whalers or toxic garbage dumpers etc. They definitely film everything, which is the whole point of any Greenpeace action, and get the footage to the media outlets asap. But they don't create dangerous situations like the Sea Shepherds on the oceans and they certainly don't carry weapons like the S.H.s. That's not to say that violent actions aren't committed against Greenpeace though, as we all know. They've been rammed, blown up, a photographer was killed on board when the French gov't sent agents to blow up the Warrior in Auckland harbour and so forth. But they've never retaliated with violence.
They have an incredibly strict definition of violence too. The story goes that when Paul Watson, who is now the captain and leader of the Sea Shepherds, was a campaigner for Greenpeace in the 70's they were out on the ice floes in eastern Canada during the annual seal slaughter and he went up to one of the hunters who had that hook thing they use raised to kill a seal and Paul grabbed the hunter's arm to stop him and Greenpeace fired him for it. I'm sure Paul displayed other traits that weren't in line with Greenpeace's policies but I think that was the final act that got him fired.
I know when I worked for them CSIS (Canadian equiv. of the FBI or CIA) had a file on me and any of my fellow co-workers who had attended a demonstration (and probably some who did not) but the government wasn't using up or diverting many resources to keep tabs on the group. That would have been ridiculous and it would have looked bad for them. But since 911, who knows what insanity is passing off as legal acts of 'protection'.
But my interest is piqued now. I'm going to have a look to see what I can find out about it. If governments are wasting resources following Greenpeace rather than real terrorists......well, that would be a real shame. It wouldn't be all that surprising, but it would be a shame. And embarrassing.
But seriously though, it's important to make sure the organizations we support aren't involved in creating violence. I strongly believe major positive change can be brought about without the use of violence. Civil disobedience is where it's at for me.
If I find out that the EU or any other gov't or legal group has legitimate claims of violence perpetrated by Greenpeace I'll have to seriously rethink my support.
Still, classifying Greenpeace as a terrorist organization seems pretty ridiculous.
Loyalty. Sweet.
Be smart too.
How so?
And dogs are loyal.
It really is completely ridiculous, and I have to admit, that it was one of things I saw during my time in the Navy that made me become more liberal.
Palzang
Palzang
Nope, he or she is correct. Greenpeace is a terrorist organization according to the United States military. I am a retired United States Marine and was told that I was not authorized to join such an organization upon penalty of Courts-martial.
It's serious. The DOD cites the blocking of Naval Vessels and the harassment of Naval vessels in its justification.
Just letting you know.
All the best,
Jellybean
http://www.greenthefilm.com/
Please don't use products containing palm oil.
might as well blame humanity and boycott mankind as a whole.