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Sceptical Buddhism Forum

edited March 2010 in Buddhism Basics
Would anyone be interested in joining a sceptical Buddhism forum if it was started?

Then we can keep that kind of nasty rebirth chat away from this place and save us all lots of time and sukka:)

Is that a good or a bad idea?

Comments

  • edited March 2010
    Bad, I agree with you on many elements of philosophy, however I think only listening to people who have the same opinion as you keeps you in a closed loop. Your just reinforcing what you think is right.

    Person X "I don't see rebirth as transmigration"
    Person Y "yea!"
    Person Z "Therefore there's no heavens or hell crap"
    person Y "Hell yea!"

    Person X "OK lets go home"


    MatSalted if the rebirth issue is distrubing for you what not ignore the posts. I'm sure there are dozens of people here who agree with how you and I see it but see the whole argument as eel wrangling.
  • edited March 2010
    Why can't other people just ignore the likes of you and I and the Dharma discussions we would like to have?
    tony67 wrote: »
    MatSalted if the rebirth issue is distrubing for you what not ignore the posts.


    It doesn't trouble me at all. Quite the contrary. Moreover I want to discuss the "Rebirth Delusion" theory with other Buddhists, without being bulled or made to feel like I'm some bad hearted ****.
  • skydancerskydancer Veteran
    edited March 2010
    The fact that you want to discuss 'the rebirth delusion" instead of exchanging views about this important topic respectfully is very telling, Mat.

    Good luck with your trolling.
  • edited March 2010
    sky dancer wrote: »
    The fact that you want to discuss 'the rebirth delusion" instead of exchanging views about this important topic respectfully is very telling, Mat.

    Good luck with your trolling.

    It aint my fault Sky. See things as they are not as your ego wants them to be.

    And by the way, I have tried so many times to exhange views about this here, they get closed.

    :(
  • skydancerskydancer Veteran
    edited March 2010
    MatSalted wrote: »
    It aint my fault Sky. See things as they are not as your ego wants them to be.

    And by the way, I have tried so many times to exhange views about this here, they get closed.

    :(
    They get closed for a reason, Mat. I'm sorry you don't understand how you contribute to that phenomena.
  • edited March 2010
    sky dancer wrote: »
    They get closed for a reason, Mat. I'm sorry you don't understand how you contribute to that phenomena.

    I am sorry you don't see the root cause of that phenomenon, of all this DUKKA is the very idea of rebirth.

    I don't think for a moment you ever think about what I say yet you are happy to tell me what someone told you years ago as if I should just accept it with the same eagerness you did.
  • skydancerskydancer Veteran
    edited March 2010
    MatSalted wrote: »
    I am sorry you don't see the root cause of that phenomenon, of all this DUKKA is the very idea of rebirth.

    I don't think for a moment you ever think about what I say yet you are happy to tell me what someone told you years ago as if I should just accept it with the same eagerness you did.
    Mat-

    Please respect my training. There is no need to insult those of us with a different point of view from you. Some of us find teachings on death and dying, the bardo, the transference of consciousness at death, impermanence, karma and rebirth to be teachings that are skillful means and benefit meditation practice.

    Take care,
  • edited March 2010
    sky dancer wrote: »
    Mat-

    Please respect my training.


    There is no need to insult those of us with a different point of view from you.

    Thats outrageous. You insult me ans speak ill of me, call me a troll, and then when I respond in a way that is not at all about you but about an IDEA and a TEACHING you come out the all hurt and vulnerable.

    As I have said many times to you, but you can't resist, simply ignore me and stop telling me I am:

    wrong
    not a Buddhist
    bad intentioned
    trolling
    etc
  • skydancerskydancer Veteran
    edited March 2010
    MatSalted wrote: »
    Thats outrageous. You insult me ans speak ill of me, call me a troll, and then when I respond in a way that is not at all about you but about an IDEA and a TEACHING you come out the all hurt and vulnerable.

    As I have said many times to you, but you can't resist, simply ignore me and stop telling me I am:

    wrong
    not a Buddhist
    bad intentioned
    trolling
    etc
    Mat-

    I disagree with you about rebirth. Period.
  • edited March 2010
    sky dancer wrote: »
    Mat-

    I disagree with you about rebirth. Period.

    You also disagree with me about my right to discuss my views of buddhism in a buddhism discussion forum:)

    Anyways. Nobody is perfect.
  • edited March 2010
    I don't have any problem with your thoughts on rebirth, I dont really know my thought on the issue yet. So please save the "It's your ego!" comments.

    Instead of saying, "I respectfully disagree" you start talking about how people who don't agree with you are deluded and blinded by ego. Which is just flat out rude. It also makes you sound like you think you know better than everybody else, and that you have no room for doubt in your own ability to percieve.

    P.s I dont like that when anybody else does that either.
  • Quiet_witnessQuiet_witness Veteran
    edited March 2010
    Mat,

    If you have interest in beating a dead horse, then be my guest but as a member of this forum, I feel a lot of attention is lost in these topics and nothing is ever gained and nothing can be gained as knowledge of death and the afterlife is something to be learned on a personal level, if at all. I have been mostly ignoring them (your posts) and will continue to do so but why don't you give this topic a rest for a while as the general consensus is asking. Once again, I really don't care what you post, as I can keep ignoring them, but your ranting and raving sounds really childish.

    QW
  • edited March 2010
    Kikujiro wrote: »
    Instead of saying, "I respectfully disagree" you start talking about how people who don't agree with you are deluded and blinded by ego.

    Which is just flat out rude. It also makes you sound like you think you know better than everybody else, and that you have no room for doubt in your own ability to percieve.

    I am sorry I disagree, please take a look at the threads I start on these issues and how they deterioate.


    I am not a troll, I am a philosopher with lots to discuss:)
  • edited March 2010
    MatSalted wrote: »
    Would anyone be interested in joining a sceptical Buddhism forum if it was started?

    Then we can keep that kind of nasty rebirth chat away from this place and save us all lots of time and sukka:)

    Is that a good or a bad idea?
    Are you saying a whole 'nother website? Or a forum within this community?

    I very much approve of the former idea. I think it could be very helpful for you to launch your own website, entirely dedicated to your beloved "rebirth delusion" crusade. You could go there and argue about rebirth to your heart's content. If no one else showed up to argue with you, no problem: you could simply create a second persona and argue with yourself about it.

    After awhile, you would get the whole thing out of your system, and then with a sigh of relief you could return here, a more spiritually and intellectually mature being, with a wide array of valid insights to contribute to the community.

    So I say: go for it!
  • edited March 2010
    MatSalted wrote: »
    Would anyone be interested in joining a sceptical Buddhism forum if it was started?

    Then we can keep that kind of nasty rebirth chat away from this place and save us all lots of time and sukka:)

    Is that a good or a bad idea?
    I wouldnt be joining but I think this is a fantastic idea.
    The sooner you get to work on it the better.
  • edited March 2010
    zendo wrote: »
    Are you saying a whole 'nother website? Or a forum within this community?

    Either!
    I very much approve of the former idea. I think it could be very helpful for you to launch your own website, entirely dedicated to your beloved "rebirth delusion" crusade. You could go there and argue about rebirth to your heart's content. If no one else showed up to argue with you, no problem: you could simply create a second persona and argue with yourself about it.

    Unwholesome.
    After awhile, you would get the whole thing out of your system, and then with a sigh of relief you could return here, a more spiritually and intellectually mature being, with a wide array of valid insights to contribute to the community.

    And what if I come back, a decrepied old man, and by then it is the 3D-Holo Forum, in Dolby, and I am as sure then as I am now? :)
  • edited March 2010
    zendo wrote: »
    If no one else showed up to argue with you, no problem: you could simply create a second persona and argue with yourself about it.

    I'm sure he is already very familiar with this process.
  • edited March 2010
    I'm sure he is already very familiar with this process.

    Actually, in a sense yes. I think when one is looking at a proposition one should always adopt counter points to those propositions.
  • edited March 2010
    MatSalted wrote: »
    I am not a troll

    I didn't mean to sound like that's what I meant. I don't think your a troll, man. (your edit of that reply to me pretty much proved that ;) ) I just think that, with a little more sensitivity to others feelings and views, these threads could thrive.

    After all, I think most Buddhists would agree that being sensitive to others feelings is far more important than discussing whether we'll be reborn or not.

    I mean even calling rebirth a delusion is kinda insulting to people who believe in it (whether its true, not true, ego driven or not) it's pretty obvious that it's likely to cause offence.

    I mean you could have quite easily asked "Why is rebirth true?" and the conversation wouldnt have been all that different.
  • edited March 2010
    Kikujiro wrote: »
    I mean you could have quite easily asked "Why is rebirth true?" and the conversation wouldnt have been all that different.

    Whatever way you dress the question it creates the same dukka.

    Its all a shame you know. All a shame.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited March 2010
    Mat - stop NOW. OK?
    Go open another forum, with my blessing.
    Don't waste another minute.
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