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Sorry, ND, if I've written anything which made you feel obliged to keep visiting this forum. I was only being selfish, because I rather like your youthful integrity and am transported to a more friendly world when I read you. Our own Bhikkhu Samahita of Sri Lanka is always talking about the utmost importance of friendliness and so are you! His Daily Dhamma Drops mean so much to me!
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Please try to understand, though, that everyone you meet in life —whether online or in person— has something to teach you, even if it's NOT to act in any way as they do. Hurtful or inconsiderate actions directed at us are truly gifts we must take unto ourselves and learn from, so that we may know better how not to be in this naughty world.
As for the Christian-bashing and such, please stand your ground against things like that. However, do try to understand that there are many good reasons people may be embittered against other groups and that their attitudes can only do you harm if you get caught up in resisting them. We all have our faults and might do well to laugh more at our own follies.
We have, or had, some Buddhist "evangelists" on this forum who thought it was so wonderful that they and their friends knew and understood so many Buddhist suttras and would be quick to point out the shortcomings in the understanding of others. They banded together a bit and supported each other, even showing some disdain that someone would dare question their understanding of Buddhist suttas. Coming from a Christian background myself, I saw all this in a very different light. For me, the teachings of the Lord Jesus against the scribes and the Pharisees are pointed arrows that would destroy any distinction not based on charity alone. The Christian gospels elevate the child and the fool over the one who would want to gain the whole world. I also found these "evangelists" to be very poor listeners. For instance, one objective contributor would make some mention on the general rancorousness of a thread while posting, and the "evangelist" would reply, O, "Your point is not rancorous at all." There are many examples and I, for one, was happy that the moderators did not intervene. I mean, stuff like that is really so silly that hiding it from the light of day would have been wrong.
Before I go, please everyone let me say one more thing. Banning "evangelists" is nicer than ridiculing them. It's funny, isn't it, that for a role that etymologically means "bearer of good news," they make such nuisances of themselves and rather than increasing the lot of happiness in the world they end up diminishing true joy.
but I'm cry from reading what's been put. I partly left to see how people would react, and I've become a much more active member on my Wiccan forum. I tried to stop myself reading this thread but I couldn't. It was a mistake. The fact that people say such nice things about me makes me feel so pressured to stay. I just want to be free but I'm being crushed. Worst of all on my Wiccan forum there's more chance of me being eaten by a rogue turnip than a post answered..
You want to escape from the forum because you are not getting the right attention you need because you are lonely and freaked out and feel like a loser. And a wiccan turnip will eat you.
Well for what it's worth you are liked and my guess is no one thinks you are remotely different than themselves.
And I really need help. The situation with my friends is spiralling out of control and there's nobody to consult. I'm currently hanging out with my "Facebook Family" at break but as each friend joins into "The Circle" (of which I'm not welcome) I feel sadder and sadder. First KJ and Logan and then Xander and Drew. My friend once said to me, "go away, it's the circle and they don't like you." and that's all I needed to know. I know longer have a best friend, just friends-of-friends, aqaintances and a few facebook relatives. No one close, not even my facebook-daughter who possibly fancies me when I don't fancie her. Well, maybe one friend, but he's either too immature or too stern (lolish).
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These sound like people you dont want be with. Anyone who would say "go away, it's the circle and they don't like you." is not someone nice. And being twelve is no excuse for that kind of exclusionist ugliness. Its a big world and there is plenty outside your current life that will be in your life before to long. When I was twelve my world was populated with cruel incredibily dumb kids that make you sound like Einstein. I remember a loneliness that was bleak beyond words. But It passed. Talk to other people around this forum and no doubt you will get the same story plenty of times.
but as each friend joins into "The Circle" (of which I'm not welcome) I feel sadder and sadder.
For what it's worth, these are the kind of asshats you don't want to be associated with and which I vigilantly guard my communities against. It's immature kid crap; the sooner you recognize it as such the sooner you'll be on the way to realizing you don't want or need to associated with it.
I had a clique like that form on my other site a while back that tried to set up its own "secret" chatroom locked away from all the plebeians they didn't want to talk to. I stuck a fork in that real quick. It's not a coincidence that there are no secret/special forums on this site for "elite" members (aside from the staff forum). I don't buy that nonsense.
I'm so 1337 I have a circle of 1. It guess it'd technically be a spatial point, but I don't let math geek into my super-secret 1337 club. I totally h8 geometry!
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federicaSeeker of the clear blue sky...Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubtModerator
edited June 2010
Jason, you're a sad, sad man.... Being a God Emperor is a lonely business...:D
NB, I know it's hard for you to listen to us older folks, all grown up an' like, because we think we're so much wiser than kids, you know?
Well, sometimes we are, and sometimes we're more asshats than 12-year-olds....
But we mean well.
But - and this is going to really hack you off - believe it or not, many of us have been there.
And we've lived to tell the tale.
Heck, some of us might even be grateful for the experiences, because much as it was hateful to go through it, it helped make us better people, and be determined to not behave in a certain way towards others.
You're a good, smart and pleasant kid, and I jutas wish I knew you in person, to be able to just connect with you and chat, normally, the way all mates chat.
All good mates, that is.
Which is what I hope we are.
We like you.
A lot.
And really?
We don't mind whether you come in once a day, or once a month.
Do what you feel like doing.
You can move around all you like.
We're still here.
Look, I'm not going to be patronising, rub your head, and say "Oh you kids, what are you like?!" because that would achieve nothing..
All I will say, is that you have a room here.
And if your so-called circle of mates doesn't want you there?
Good.
Their loss. Truly it is.
I went through this at school. I changed school 3 times, so I never, ever really fitted in at any of them, and never had a close true long-lasting friendship.
I have absolutely no real close friends now, either. I don't socialise, not because I'm a solitary old woman, but because circumstances aren't right.
But you know what?
it really doesn't matter.
I learnt something a long time ago.
When you meet people, don't try to leave them with a good impression of yourself.
Try to leave them with a good feeling about themselves.
I just try to be nice to the people I do meet, and it's fun. Because the above, works.
Stick with it, kid. It will all pass.
If you deprive your 'friends' of your friendship, through your own choice and actions, and leave them alone, sooner or later, one of them will come knocking on your door, to find out how things are with you.
Don't hate this. be indifferent to it.
And you'll find they come seeking you out.
I've obviously not been my 'normal' (for me anyway) self. I apologise to everybody who felt they were making me feel pressured. I'm torn between feeling embarassed because I've made made myself the centre of attention, and wanting to let my ego run wild and say a little speech but I hate seriously gloating. Y'know, yesterday I was telling a 'friend' (it's sort of funny because he pretends to be friends with a poor lad who thinks he's his best friend when my 'friend' doesn't really like him, little does this 'friend' know I don't consider him one. I've stopped hanging around with him at any break what so ever and use him as a second or third choice to sit next too. It's iritating that he expects me to hang around with him when he wants me too, lol) about a joke I had on my Wiccan forum that resulted in the fact that witches rode fire extinguishers and not broomsticks when he asked about this forum. I said I left it and that everyone had either left or were a k**bheads. Then I suddenly thought, "Well, apart from Matt... or Treeluvr, Lightwithin, Zachaa, Johnathan, Fede, Nios, Brigid, Simon, that alright orangutan dood (hello Palzang:p) ect. ect. Then I realise there's a whole bunch of really nice peoples! I think I'm staying, but I've learnt something, that I can live without a newbuddhist, at least for a few days, but then I'm a wreck, but... What the heck, I'm back!
Next Week... On The Forum... Dun dun dun dun dun duuun duun dun dun dun dun dun, dun dun d-dun dun dun...
All the best
Nickidoodle Jellybean Pazdicky Joe, or whatever you want to call me!
Oh, and maybe my Facebook Family are just a bunch of new friends, and I should be grateful, even if they go out then dump each other, make flame throwers using lighters and deoderant, my daughter whips me and another calls me a bitch and then says she loves me at the same time, no friends like your own friends And they're actually not as bad as I made them sound just know LOL
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I'm afraid the forum doesn't have a "hug" smilie, so please accept this poke instead of a hug... :poke:
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Please try to understand, though, that everyone you meet in life —whether online or in person— has something to teach you, even if it's NOT to act in any way as they do. Hurtful or inconsiderate actions directed at us are truly gifts we must take unto ourselves and learn from, so that we may know better how not to be in this naughty world.
As for the Christian-bashing and such, please stand your ground against things like that. However, do try to understand that there are many good reasons people may be embittered against other groups and that their attitudes can only do you harm if you get caught up in resisting them. We all have our faults and might do well to laugh more at our own follies.
We have, or had, some Buddhist "evangelists" on this forum who thought it was so wonderful that they and their friends knew and understood so many Buddhist suttras and would be quick to point out the shortcomings in the understanding of others. They banded together a bit and supported each other, even showing some disdain that someone would dare question their understanding of Buddhist suttas. Coming from a Christian background myself, I saw all this in a very different light. For me, the teachings of the Lord Jesus against the scribes and the Pharisees are pointed arrows that would destroy any distinction not based on charity alone. The Christian gospels elevate the child and the fool over the one who would want to gain the whole world. I also found these "evangelists" to be very poor listeners. For instance, one objective contributor would make some mention on the general rancorousness of a thread while posting, and the "evangelist" would reply, O, "Your point is not rancorous at all." There are many examples and I, for one, was happy that the moderators did not intervene. I mean, stuff like that is really so silly that hiding it from the light of day would have been wrong.
Before I go, please everyone let me say one more thing. Banning "evangelists" is nicer than ridiculing them. It's funny, isn't it, that for a role that etymologically means "bearer of good news," they make such nuisances of themselves and rather than increasing the lot of happiness in the world they end up diminishing true joy.
could be. ,
patheticness or pathitteiticness:D. Naw.
You want to escape from the forum because you are not getting the right attention you need because you are lonely and freaked out and feel like a loser. And a wiccan turnip will eat you.
Well for what it's worth you are liked and my guess is no one thinks you are remotely different than themselves.
These sound like people you dont want be with. Anyone who would say "go away, it's the circle and they don't like you." is not someone nice. And being twelve is no excuse for that kind of exclusionist ugliness. Its a big world and there is plenty outside your current life that will be in your life before to long. When I was twelve my world was populated with cruel incredibily dumb kids that make you sound like Einstein. I remember a loneliness that was bleak beyond words. But It passed. Talk to other people around this forum and no doubt you will get the same story plenty of times.
So you are being heard.
I had a clique like that form on my other site a while back that tried to set up its own "secret" chatroom locked away from all the plebeians they didn't want to talk to. I stuck a fork in that real quick. It's not a coincidence that there are no secret/special forums on this site for "elite" members (aside from the staff forum). I don't buy that nonsense.
NB, I know it's hard for you to listen to us older folks, all grown up an' like, because we think we're so much wiser than kids, you know?
Well, sometimes we are, and sometimes we're more asshats than 12-year-olds....
But we mean well.
But - and this is going to really hack you off - believe it or not, many of us have been there.
And we've lived to tell the tale.
Heck, some of us might even be grateful for the experiences, because much as it was hateful to go through it, it helped make us better people, and be determined to not behave in a certain way towards others.
You're a good, smart and pleasant kid, and I jutas wish I knew you in person, to be able to just connect with you and chat, normally, the way all mates chat.
All good mates, that is.
Which is what I hope we are.
We like you.
A lot.
And really?
We don't mind whether you come in once a day, or once a month.
Do what you feel like doing.
You can move around all you like.
We're still here.
Look, I'm not going to be patronising, rub your head, and say "Oh you kids, what are you like?!" because that would achieve nothing..
All I will say, is that you have a room here.
And if your so-called circle of mates doesn't want you there?
Good.
Their loss. Truly it is.
I went through this at school. I changed school 3 times, so I never, ever really fitted in at any of them, and never had a close true long-lasting friendship.
I have absolutely no real close friends now, either. I don't socialise, not because I'm a solitary old woman, but because circumstances aren't right.
But you know what?
it really doesn't matter.
I learnt something a long time ago.
When you meet people, don't try to leave them with a good impression of yourself.
Try to leave them with a good feeling about themselves.
I just try to be nice to the people I do meet, and it's fun. Because the above, works.
Stick with it, kid. It will all pass.
If you deprive your 'friends' of your friendship, through your own choice and actions, and leave them alone, sooner or later, one of them will come knocking on your door, to find out how things are with you.
Don't hate this. be indifferent to it.
And you'll find they come seeking you out.
Next Week... On The Forum... Dun dun dun dun dun duuun duun dun dun dun dun dun, dun dun d-dun dun dun...
All the best
Nickidoodle Jellybean Pazdicky Joe, or whatever you want to call me!
All the best
Me.
May the Blessed Lord's grace tug at your unfurled sails and pull you across any unfriendly waters that dare beat against your well-directed hull.
This is damn fine advice
All the best
Nickidoodle Jellybean Kool Kat (lol)
Corrrect me if I'm wrong...but....
hasn't this thread gone ever-so-slightly off topic?
Look, what say we close it here, and if Nicky-doodle-dandy needs to post a new thread, he's welcome to do so!
Ok?
Thanks to all who gave input.
On or off-topic.