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Prostrations!

IrrisIrris Explorer
edited May 2010 in Buddhism Basics
Hey all! I was just doing some googly-eyed Googling and discovered
http://www.dharmaling.org/en/practices/29-prostrations

This answered a lot of questions I didn't even know I had! Reading stories and articles that mention prostrations, it was never very clear to me what exactly that entailed or why it was done. I'm also thinking about a visit to a temple soon and some of the proper etiquette has been daunting to absorb. Perhaps this will be of some help to other New Buddhists like me!

Comments

  • IrrisIrris Explorer
    edited May 2010
    Oh and of course, I am still curious what the rest of you do/think in regards to this tradition. If you go to a temple, do you do this? Does anyone do this at home, near an alter or otherwise?
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited May 2010
    I bow three times to the Buddha Statue and also to the monks/nuns when I visit the Dhamma center. Everyone bows differently, for me it is an expression of gratitude and humility. If bowing is done with mindfulness it is a very beautiful thing to do. The first bow is to the Buddha, then to the Dhamma, then to the Sangha. Ajahn Brahm says he bows to Virtue, Peace and Wisdom (The Eightfold Path).

    If bowing is meaningful to you personally, then bow. If not, then don't worry about it. :)
  • edited May 2010
    Hi learned audience,
    It is one of many expediency in practice to achieve the equalibrium of single-mind or Buddhahood. No bowing is nothing improper.
  • edited May 2010
    Prostrations are good for you.
    They are a powerful method for the development of dedication, humility, and bodhicitta.
  • IrrisIrris Explorer
    edited May 2010
    Even if it doesn't become a constant practice for me, I think learning to / making myself do it a few times would be a good ego-breaking experiment.
  • edited May 2010
    This is all new to me, and i love the idea.

    I really love the reasoning behind why someone would do this. Getting rid of our pride concept can be a huge obstacle.
  • lightwithinlightwithin Veteran
    edited May 2010
    This is an interesting concept but I think I would have trouble visualizing and remembering each one of the meanings of the hand positions. How fast are you supposed to do this? If it's as fast as the lil guy in the site, then I'd have trouble bringing all those concepts into my brain so quickly. If it's slower, then it should be OK.
  • edited May 2010
    This is an interesting concept but I think I would have trouble visualizing and remembering each one of the meanings of the hand positions. How fast are you supposed to do this? If it's as fast as the lil guy in the site, then I'd have trouble bringing all those concepts into my brain so quickly. If it's slower, then it should be OK.

    the more you do it the more you can remember and keep track of.
    some people do thousands a day.
    I used to do a large number of them a day when I was working on ngondro. at first it was very difficult both mentally and physically but like anything else, you get better with practice.
  • lightwithinlightwithin Veteran
    edited May 2010
    I used to do a large number of them a day when I was working on ngondro. at first it was very difficult both mentally and physically but like anything else, you get better with practice.

    So is the speed pretty much the same as the drawing on the provided website? Just curious.
  • edited May 2010
    So is the speed pretty much the same as the drawing on the provided website? Just curious.
    Maybe once you really get going.
    rather than the Om Ah Hung animation you should recite the refuge prayer when you do them. Its much faster in Tibetan than it is in English.
  • edited May 2010
    you can also do it in whatever language is appropriate for your tradition.
    Prostrations are a universally beneficial practice in my opinion.
  • lightwithinlightwithin Veteran
    edited May 2010
    some people do thousands a day

    Would you say the whole thing loses meaning when it's done almost compulsively like that?

    I was raised Catholic and we had to make the sign of the cross over our torso and head a lot, and over time, you just did it mechanically like a robot. No meaning or mindfulness of it at all. Just like the prayers we said at mass. Mindless reciting from memory.

    Would you say these fall under this same category if done too much and too often?
  • edited May 2010
    Would you say the whole thing loses meaning when it's done almost compulsively like that?

    I think it certainly can. It depends on the individual though. The practice itself has its benefits, its up to the practitioner to apply the practice correctly in order to reap them.
  • IrrisIrris Explorer
    edited May 2010
    Even if we are afraid it isn't exactly correct, or how fast it is... shouldn't we just do it anyway, and not care too much how it looks? Trying to perform a perfect prostration as though there's an audience is holding on to ego / pride, it's not about how it looks but our intents in doing it, it seems. Of course after doing several we'd "get better" but it's not really about that, I imagine.

    We're all awkward and clumsy the first few times we do something anyway :)
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited May 2010
    Irris wrote: »
    Even if we are afraid it isn't exactly correct, or how fast it is... shouldn't we just do it anyway, and not care too much how it looks?

    Absolutely!
    Irris wrote: »
    Trying to perform a perfect prostration as though there's an audience is holding on to ego / pride, it's not about how it looks but our intents in doing it, it seems. Of course after doing several we'd "get better" but it's not really about that, I imagine.

    We're all awkward and clumsy the first few times we do something anyway :)

    If we are mindful and humble it will look beautiful anyway.
  • edited May 2010
    Irris wrote: »
    Even if we are afraid it isn't exactly correct, or how fast it is... shouldn't we just do it anyway, and not care too much how it looks? Trying to perform a perfect prostration as though there's an audience is holding on to ego / pride, it's not about how it looks but our intents in doing it, it seems. Of course after doing several we'd "get better" but it's not really about that, I imagine.

    We're all awkward and clumsy the first few times we do something anyway :)

    The speed of the prayer issue actually directly relates to our ability to maintain mindfulness and the visualization connected with the practice, its not about doing it fast or looking good. If we can time the prayer to flow rhythmically and in time with the physical exercise its much easier to maintain the visualization etc. Thats what you want to "get better" at. Doing the practice in a way that is correct and fruitful. Not just being able to do nice prostrations.
  • edited May 2010
    It is not about rhythm and speed, it is sincerity of single-minded heart.
  • edited May 2010
    Wilfred wrote: »
    It is not about rhythm and speed, it is sincerity of single-minded heart.

    nonsense.
    What is "sincerity of single-minded heart"?
    What does that even mean?

    Speed and rhythm allow the practitioner to maintain the proper mindfulness, visualization and motivation. Keeping a good rhythm and pace are conducive to the practice. The practice is about developing bodhicitta and diminishing ego clinging, not "sincerity of single-minded heart".
  • IrrisIrris Explorer
    edited May 2010
    GuyC wrote: »
    If we are mindful and humble it will look beautiful anyway.
    That concept makes me happy :)
  • edited May 2010
    I think it certainly can. It depends on the individual though. The practice itself has its benefits, its up to the practitioner to apply the practice correctly in order to reap them.
    :uphand:
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