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Meditation Centres.. Why do they charge?

I just dont understand this, I know that its to keep it running. But Some people (as myself) can not afford the £5 to meditate with other like minded people. They are also "classes" and have a set schedule as such..meaning you need the money and the time. I wish there was a more open way to meet other buddhists.

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  • ValtielValtiel Veteran
    edited June 2010
    I just dont understand this, I know that its to keep it running.
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    Maybe some of you could get together outside of class to meditate, and then you can go to the centre on top of that whenever you're able? Does it take more than one person to meditate? :P
    They are also "classes" and have a set schedule as such..meaning you need the money and the time.

    How would you propose they do this without a schedule? And without charging?
  • thickpaperthickpaper Veteran
    edited June 2010
    I just dont understand this, I know that its to keep it running. But Some people (as myself) can not afford the £5 to meditate with other like minded people. They are also "classes" and have a set schedule as such..meaning you need the money and the time. I wish there was a more open way to meet other buddhists.

    I agree. I used to go to a med class that charged. I would have preferred to pay a bigger donation....
  • edited June 2010
    If they actually don't let you in if you can't pay, you don't want to be around those people anyway.
  • GlowGlow Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Pretty much what Valtiel said. You've answered your own question. I'm pretty sure you can find a group that sustains itself on donation if you look hard enough, however. There are many.
  • ValtielValtiel Veteran
    edited June 2010
    If they actually don't let you in if you can't pay, you don't want to be around those people anyway.

    It depends. Some do it because they have to, otherwise they wouldn't be able to sustain themselves. You make one exception you make a million. And soon you've gone bankrupt.
  • edited June 2010
    glad you raised the issue, in the States it often appears that Buddhism is for the wealthy, but all centers and such that I've visited welcome everyone, money or not, at first I was puzzled by this, for in my earliest encounters with Buddha's Teachings I noticed that he rejected the "caste system" existing in his day, but today it does seem like Buddhism is for those who can afford to "travel the world" and such to find Teachers (which they say is a must), I am still struggling with this issue and hope to find Teachers willing to visit the poor and folks not able to travel about as the wealthy are. Thanks again for this post, for as one Teacher said "examine, examine thoroughly..."
  • FoibleFullFoibleFull Canada Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Yup, it depends on the centre.

    The centre I attend charges $50 a year for membership, which gives you a discount on retreats and empowerments (which have a charge). But you don't have to be a member to attend the weekly classes or weekend sits.

    The centre asks a $5 donation into the donation box each time you visit, but this is all very casual and on the honor system.

    Where does this money go? The centre is a Non-Profit Society, and directs its own affairs. It operates primarily off of member volunteering and fund-raising efforts. The centre owns (has paid off) it's own building but still pays taxes and utilities and has to maintain the building and its contents. Furthermore (and most importantly), the center supports a Buddhist monk from the Dalai Lama's monastery in India; this monk is the resident teacher and spiritual director for the centre.
  • edited June 2010
    My temple doesn't charge for services and so on. There are annual dues, if one wants to join the temple and have a say in the decision-making process. These dues go to defray costs, such as advertising, postage and POBox, candles incense and flowers, temple dues to our national organization, and the very tiny stipend that our minister receives. The physical space and utilities are currently being donated by members, as are telephone and internet service costs, along with such incidentals as coffee tea and snacks for after service.
  • edited June 2010
    Thank you for the response, FoibleFull, it is good to know such things. And I apologize for mixing issues. Again, every center I've visisted, although most charge high fees for attendance at retreats and teachings, always state "no one will be turned down for lack of funds." Great! But a separate issue that I am struggling with is the notioin found in many Tibetan traditions that says "one MUST have a Teacher (lama, guru) to get Enlightened", and this seems to me to suggest the poor are left out here since they cannot afford to travel and such to find a Teacher, yet the well-to-do are able to do so. I raise this issue not to create controversy, but to find a solution, perhaps a network or something similar to help the disadvantaged along the Way. Best Wishes....
  • NiosNios Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Our sangha doesn't charge and neither did my previous sangha. But, then again, they don't offer "lessons", and both sanghas are located in someone's private home.
    Other sanghas in the city do charge, but they are located in either rented halls or purposely converted properties. Here one can understand the need for charge, although buddhism frowns upon it. (Some places charge as much as £8 for an hour! :eek: )
    Our priest accepts donations especially when he does services (like funerals) etc, but he never asks, and so sometimes, never gets. He's also noticed the need for flexibility in the west. We seem to have so many things going on (work family etc) that we can't guarantee our time. I always try to make it, even if it means going straight from work and sitting in my shirt and trousers (rather than something loose and comfortable). Sometimes I'm so tired I'm almost falling asleep during meditation. :lol:

    Nios.
  • ManiMani Veteran
    edited June 2010
    bloom wrote: »
    But a separate issue that I am struggling with is the notioin found in many Tibetan traditions that says "one MUST have a Teacher (lama, guru) to get Enlightened", and this seems to me to suggest the poor are left out here since they cannot afford to travel and such to find a Teacher, yet the well-to-do are able to do so.

    Hi bloom. :)

    If I may add my perspective to your thoughts...

    If by the "Tibetan traditions", you mean practicing Vajrayana, then yes it is necessary for one to have a teacher. Without lineage, transmission and empowerment, one cannot practice Vajrayana. These things require one to have a qualified guru. Having said that, then when you take a closer look, you may find that one needs to have certain conditions to meet a qualified teacher, to travel, to receive teachings, to be able to practice with few obstacles and so-forth. These conditions are related to one's merit. One must have sufficient merit to meet many of these conditions. Even to meet with the Dharma in the first place, one needs great merit. Remember, that everything depends on causes and conditions.
  • ValtielValtiel Veteran
    edited June 2010
    And how does one gain sufficient merit?
  • edited June 2010
    Valtiel wrote: »
    And how does one gain sufficient merit?

    I come from Vajrayana, and I don't like the whole "transactional" tone of "merit". I like to think of karmic accumulation as "gaining momentum" for the continuum of consciousness. So I would correct that to say "Even to meet with the Dharma in the first place, one needs great momentum in the continuum of consciousness".

    I hope Vajrayana teachers stop using the term "merit".
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