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Re: FBI could be watching you

edited September 2005 in General Banter
In light of the story below I wish to feed your paranoia that maybe the FBI still considers these sites revolutionary and a risk to the American way of life.
It is your duty as a human being to be radical and to question everything that Fox throws at you.
I ask you speak out and seek the truth where ever you are. Remember Bush is only a puppet for corporate America and the Saudi Royal Family.
Think what Buddha would have said about Bush. Think what Ghandi would of said about FBI. They simply don't have the mandate to act as the Worlds commanders in General do they?
I hate communism but I hate the people who want to snuff out their democratic rights to say what they want even more.






The FBI thought John Lennon was too stoned on drugs to be a real revolutionary, according to secret files recently released.

A file on the former Beatle shows he was being watched in the United States shortly before the 1972 Republican National Convention in Miami, the UK's Press Association reported.

Lennon wanted to extend his travel visa at the time so he could "engage in disruptive activities surrounding RNC," an agent reportedly claimed.

But an informant told the FBI that while Lennon "appears to be radically orientated" he did not give the impression of being a true revolutionist "since he is constantly under the influence of narcotics."

The material, which dates back to 1974, was released under the Freedom of Information Act. The release was in response to a request by The Associated Press for every FBI "High Visibility Memorandum" filed between 1974 and 2005.

The files show that federal agents investigated a series of stars and household names, including Marilyn Monroe, Albert Einstein and Liberace. (Full story)

The AP's request produced more than 500 memos totaling nearly 1,500 pages -- a stack of documents six inches high.

A file on screen legend Monroe reveals a 1955 rumor that she might have been a Communist Party member and had applied for a visa to visit Russia, the Press Association reported.

The following year she was in New York with "a Life photographer who is a party member," an informant claimed.

In 1962 she traveled to Mexico, where she "associated closely with certain members of the American Communist Group in Mexico," an FBI report said.

Einstein was watched for decades because of his alleged ties to communists.

The files indicate it was believed he was a member, sponsor or affiliated with 34 so-called communist fronts between 1937 and 1954, and honorary chairman of three communist organizations.

Comments

  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    edited September 2005
    Moving to the lotus lounge :) - not really a "buddhism 101" topic
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited September 2005
    Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're NOT after you.....
  • edited September 2005
    My friend's got this conspiracy theory from somewhere that Bush at least knew about the Sep 11th terrorists or actively supported it. The reason was so it would be easy to pass draconian laws (the Patriot Acts) and an excuse to invade a few countries he didn't like.

    i don't like Bush but this? What say you Herman?
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited September 2005
    Bush's family has definite financial links with The Bin Laden family...... :hair:
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited September 2005
    I hate communism

    What's to hate? Or do you mean the Soviet system?
  • edited September 2005
    Whats to hate? well on communism my feelings are just this, it is no different to National Socialism. Socialism is only valid if it arrived at by a democratic opinion. There must always be a a opposite view point, whether it is liberal, social democratic, republician or conservative. It must be accountable to work at all.

    Remember these seven truths:

    1. Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
    2. Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
    3. No animal shall wear clothes.
    4. No animal shall sleep in a bed.
    5. No animal shall drink alcohol.
    6. No animal shall kill any other animal.
    7. All animals are equal.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited September 2005
    Gosh, where do they come from - "Animal Farm"? :hair:

    I couldn't really attest to these being either absolute or indisputable, though.... and most animals have broken at least two....!!
    Do you believe them to be true? How have they proven to be so?
  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    edited September 2005
    okay, i'm lost.... seven truths? animals drinking alcohol? :wtf:
  • edited September 2005
    I have revised them for you Brian.


    1. "Four legs good, two legs better!"
    2. No animal shall sleep in a bed with sheets.
    3. No animal shall drink alcohol to excess.
    4. No animal shall kill any other animal without cause.
    5. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited September 2005
    I was right then, it IS "Animal farm"! I often use the last one with reference to French administration and bureocracy - !!
  • edited September 2005
    federica wrote:
    Bush's family has definite financial links with The Bin Laden family...... :hair:

    Absolutely! Does everyone know that after we were attacked on 9/11, ALL planes were grounded. Not one single plane was allowed to take off for anything. Well...ok, maybe ONE plane...the airplane that flew Bin Laden's family members out of the USA. The really irks me.
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited September 2005
    HH,

    I know that it is contemporary orthodoxy to say that Communism and National Socialism are identical. It is factually nonsense and can only be sustained if one adopts a view of Communism as only being Stalinist, which is neither was nor is.
  • edited September 2005
    Ok....Lets look at
    1.Burma's Buddhism Socialist experiment failed and the gap was filled by a Military dictatorship
    2. North Korea millions where are starving to death.
    3.Vietnam where teachers were forced into manual labour etc.
    4.Cambodia where Pol Pot murdered on mass.
    5. Communist / State controlled capitalist China where non conformists suffer brutal torture and murder.I won't go into detail about Tibet .
    I won't mention Africa either.

    Their have been some examples of sort term success in South America and of course you have the southern India state Kerala which has full literacy.That's impressive.
    All in all Communism fails on one major level , it does not take account of the human condition.Theory is one thing. Living a life is another.

    Democratic Socialism or social democracy on the other hand gives account of it actions. It encourages economic distribution through enterprise, enabling more choice through prosperity whilst maintaining free health and free schools. It also allows freedom to worship and have debate.

    Power to the People.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited September 2005
    Herman, thank you for your thought provoking posts, but I'm of the (personal and individual) opinion that you might actually be in an inappropriate forum....
    All the members here have joined, in order to discuss Buddhist issues, primarily.
    Hence the name, NewBuddhist..... Your original and subsequent previous posts dealt with your lucky escape from the Tsunami, and questions regarding a particular Buddhist sect and their monastery. Questions and posts which on inspection, were answered diversely and as thoroughly as the contributors could.... and as I saw, you were happy and grateful with the responses you received... :)
    The topic you have introduced now is not one which for my part, I am able to discuss on any greater level than that I have already used. This is not to say that i'm burying my head in the sand - far from it. I have actually given it a great deal of thought.
    There are perhaps three, possibly four of my fellow contributors who would be able to discuss this with the maturity, knowledge, fluency and articulation it merits. But - and I'm only guessing - I don't see them wanting to....
    Personally speaking, my primary & urgent concerns are to do with the immediate welfare of myself and my loved ones... I have enough problems and issues in my day-to-day life without having to debate socio-economic-democratic issues.
    And whatever I'm discussing, debating or merely thinking about, I always use the Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path as the gauge, rule or mean against which to consider it all....
    In other words, I make every effort to Keep My Life Simple. Starting with me, I do what little I can to make Life better, bearable, happy and free from suffering on a personal/local level.

    "I never look at the masses as my responsibility.
    I look at the individual.
    I can only Love one person at a time.
    I can only feed one person at a time.
    Just one...... just one.....
    So, you begin - I begin.
    I picked up one person.
    maybe if I didn't pick up that one person,
    I wouldn't have picked up 40,000.
    The whole work, is only a drop in the ocean.
    But if I didn't put that drop in,
    The Ocean would certainly be one drop less.
    Same thing for you, same thing for your family,
    Same thing for the community where you live.
    Just begin now....
    One.....one.....One....."


    Mother Teresa of Calcutta.

    So if you don't get many - or any - more responses to your posts, perhaps you might like to consider their content and how appropriate or constructive they are to the general forum..... :)

    Thank you.
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited September 2005
    Bowing deeply to our new moderator, I would point out that His Holiness the Dalai Lama has written and said that Communism and Buddhism have much in common.

    More, IMHO, than Buddhism and Capitalism.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited September 2005
    Herman, this is one of the members to whom I was referring.
    Thank you Simon, for your input.
    Over to you.....;)
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited September 2005
    I do have to admit that the Sermon on the Mount and the Jesus agenda for social action ("I was hungry.....") has always appeared closer to socialism than to capitalism.
  • edited September 2005
    Ok guys I hear what you say. I am happy to leave it that. If you feel it's become too involved or heavy I apologise as you have been patient and generous with the advise that has be given.If you really have thought about some of those issues without condeming me then I feel my work has been done here.
    Just like most of you I hope that some day we can all grips with the world. You might of seen I love to question things with a passion. It can be annoying to some but in my life it has all been a very fruitful trait.
    I only wish that you feel you have some ownership of this world we inhabit. It is becoming very small very quickly and we must be clear about the problems that facing us.
    It is my understanding that Buddha would of at least examined the big picture, as to what answers he would have given well we can only guess.
    Federica I have no wish to leave this sight as I feel I still have much to learn from some people on here.
    Simon your reply with regard to the connection of communism and buddism, I see complete sense in what his Holliness has to say.It is an very interesting statement.
    Now I am thinking of the top of my head but what if agnostic buddhism was the individual ingredient that is missing to make communism work.
    I think the more answers we get the closer we are asking the right question.

    Again I hope I am not asked to leave this sight. Anyway it ages to get that picture of the right size.And just in case people are thinking Elephant = Republic you very wrong. I just love elephants, they are very lucky animals.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited September 2005
    [QUOTE=Herman Hesse
    Ok guys I hear what you say. I am happy to leave it that. If you feel it's become too involved or heavy I apologise as you have been patient and generous with the advise that has be given.If you really have thought about some of those issues without condeming me then I feel my work has been done here.
    Oh dear.....
    It appears that I have found myself impaled on the horns of a dilemma....

    First of all, I must thank Simon for coming back with a response, and in doing so, referring to me as a Moderator. So I think I owe contributors an apology.
    because here's the thing.... I wasn't actually responding to Herman's post in that guise, my input was intended to be purely personal.

    Abraham/Nick quite rightly pointed out that no matter what happens now, the parameters have subtly shifted.... he also pointed out that, even though I was merely commenting for my own part, some of it seemed censorial.... particularly the use of the word "inappropriate"....
    Given that Brian already moved your original post from another thread to this one, which is by its very title, one of a much more general and relaxed theme, for me to respond by terming it inappropriate was, I now see, ill thought-out and inadvised.
    I can see that I am going to have to be far more circumspect about what, when and how I post in future... Such is the nature of the Beast. It is a learning curve and period of adjustment for me, and one to which I hope I'll adjust without too many problems... I'm very pleased though, that this forum is not likely to create any extreme or severe Moderating problems....!
    I only wish that you feel you have some ownership of this world we inhabit. It is becoming very small very quickly and we must be clear about the problems that facing us.
    It is my understanding that Buddha would of at least examined the big picture, as to what answers he would have given well we can only guess.

    You're absolutely correct in this statement Herman.... but when I responded by pointing out that my personal world is very small, I wasn't intending to imply that I couldn't care less about the rest of it. I was attempting to illustrate that for my part, I have to start small because that's where I feel I can most contribute.
    Federica I have no wish to leave this sight as I feel I still have much to learn from some people on here.

    Above all, I never, ever intended to even suggest you should begin to consider leaving this forum! Please don't you dare!
    I have already stated elsewhere that all contributions are welcome and that discussions are varied, animated and as diverse as all those who post, are.... which indicates how neatly I shot myself in the foot, doesn't it? ;)


    Herman, Elephants are my mothers' favourite animals too... the raised trunk is also a symbolic indication of Happiness: - Big Heart towards Big Heaven....

    Thank you for listening. And now, back to the studio.......:)
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited September 2005
    What a wonderful thread! It says so much about the self-awareness of the members of this sangha, I think.

    @ HH:

    You say
    Now I am thinking of the top of my head but what if agnostic buddhism was the individual ingredient that is missing to make communism work.
    That is precisely what I have thought. A true partnership between the Great Helmsman and the Dalai Lama, between China and Tibet could, as has happened in the past, provide a platform for genuine renewal in the world.

    One of the times of real peace, while I was in India, was in among the deodar trees where the local, Buddhist community had cleared the mounds of rubbish that the locals just drop by the side of the road! When we take interbeing seriously, understand our karmic connection with all that is, look at the world with compassionate eyes, we change! We become the eccentric old people who stoop to pick up rubbish and put it in the bin!

    Stay with us, HH. We need you.


    @ Federika,

    Ah, dear Sister! You have found out, so soon, that you are no longer just our village idiot! So, may I, as one who has spent rather too long as a moderator, offer my experience? (Not really a question, is it! I don't wait for an answer)

    I have found that 2 simple rules for myself have helped:
    * I never 'moderate' a thread in which I have become passionately involved. It would feel like an abuse of power, an imbalance in the relationships.

    * I always precede any statement as a moderator by spelling out that this is "MODERATOR'S COMMENT". Anything without that is personal and not to be taken as moderation. It's a bit like "Simon says..", as you mentioned. LOL

    I say this because I, for one, would not like to think that you are going to try to be grown-up all the time! S'il vous plait, dessine-moi un mouton.
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