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journalling

edited June 2010 in Buddhism Basics
Hello! I wanted to ask if it is advisable to journal. Sometimes I have so many problems zooming around in my head that I can't keep track of them all, and as a result I get overwhelmed and terribly stressed out. Is it okay to write down all my problems and get them on paper and out of my head, or will this lead to more suffering somehow?

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  • edited June 2010
    nervy3314 wrote: »
    Hello! I wanted to ask if it is advisable to journal. Sometimes I have so many problems zooming around in my head that I can't keep track of them all, and as a result I get overwhelmed and terribly stressed out. Is it okay to write down all my problems and get them on paper and out of my head, or will this lead to more suffering somehow?

    It's absolutely a great idea. I find it to be a very cathartic exercise in organizing my thoughts. It makes you a better writer in the long run too.

    It is very helpful in planning things out, reflecting on events in your life, and it can be fun as well.

    On a personal note, while I enjoy occasionally writing down my thoughts and ideas, I really hate reading them again later on, especially if those ideas didn't turn out well. For instance, if I write down what I'm planning to do for work or even write about a woman of interest, I will normally throw away the journal entry several months later...especially if my plans didn't work out! :winkc:

    But that's just me. I think everyone would agree that anything you do that makes you more aware of your thought process and that helps you to reflect on your thoughts and feelings is a positive thing.
  • Ficus_religiosaFicus_religiosa Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Be careful not to think so much about what might cause "suffering", that you forget to live.
    If you are wondering if an idea is a good one, just try it out. If you find writing your thoughts down to be distracting on some level or another (thus making you "suffer"), simply stop doing it! :)
  • FoibleFullFoibleFull Canada Veteran
    edited June 2010
    I have not found any Buddhist teachers or writings advising that we journal our thoughts. I am most open to changing my mind if someone can refer me to the appropriate Buddhist resources.

    In the meantime, it appears to me that journalling entails pinning down and focusing on our thoughts ... a focus that borders on self-preoccupation. And Buddhism entails releasing our thoughts, as well as moving from our habitual self-preoccupation into compassionate concern for the well-being of others.

    I cannot see how journalling reflects the spirit or goals of Buddhism, and it appears to me that the two pursuits cancel each other out in overall effect. Not everything that is "good psychology" is "good Buddhism".
  • FoibleFullFoibleFull Canada Veteran
    edited June 2010
    nervy3314 wrote: »
    Hello! I wanted to ask if it is advisable to journal. Sometimes I have so many problems zooming around in my head that I can't keep track of them all, and as a result I get overwhelmed and terribly stressed out. Is it okay to write down all my problems and get them on paper and out of my head, or will this lead to more suffering somehow?

    I don't know the nature of these problems (and I'm not asking to know) ... some problems require definite action, such as (1) completing a term paper, or (2) finding a good nursing home for a relative with Alzheimer's.

    Other problems are, from a Buddhist perspective, not the circumstances themselves, but are instead a problem with how we are reacting to the circumstances. This is the "meat" of Buddhism and the true cause of all our suffering. The solution to these problems is NOT fixing the problems, but fixing our response. For this category of problems, I would suggest allowing them to zoom around your head without trying to keep track of them ... acknowledge their existence, but don't try to grasp onto them. You could, for instance, envision your self as a rock in a stream, and your thoughts as the water that approaches, slips over, and then slips away from the rock. Writing down these types of problems only reinforces the thinking that makes them a problem to begin with.

    It is human nature to think that getting what we want will make us happy. And to think that avoiding what we DON'T want will keep us from being unhappy. Buddhism teaches that this is not so. Buddhism teaches that our attachments and aversions are what cause our suffering. It teaches us that when suffering occurs, this is not a "mistake" that needs to be "fixed". This is a revolutionary attitude, running counter to everything we strive for, but it is the core of Buddhism ... and it works!
  • Ficus_religiosaFicus_religiosa Veteran
    edited June 2010
    As I view it, writing down thoughts is in fact letting them go. Out of the head and unto the paper. They do not have to vanish into oblivion to vanish. They can just be right there, on the paper - released, let go of.
    If the idea was to pin thoughts, the process would require the writer to actively make up new thoughts around the same, old topic - thus creating stress and suffering.
    That is not how I understood the OP, though. I think of it like channeling out thoughts. When you close the book, the thoughts stay in there.
  • edited June 2010
    My guess is that writing thoughts down may help some to investigate their origins and 'reality'. This objectivity may be a valuable precursor to the development of the stance of detached observer of our minds. It should not be ruminative however and also should not replace Buddhist practice of morality, concentration and the development of wisdom. The further I go in my development, the less I journal or want to journal. It all seems so trite and repetitive when I've written stuff down and reviewed it later!

    If you are a serious practitioner then as foible full says, it is not 'good buddhism'; but if you are on a journey of development then it can be a useful tool. Just don't cling to it and don't neglect Buddhist practice as a result. Natalie Goldberg writes about using her Buddhist practice in her writing. I've read both Writing Down the Bones and Long Quiet Highway: Waking up in America. Both excellent.

    metta
  • edited June 2010
    The responses to this thread were quite eyeopening. I would have thought journalling was very much in keeping with the Eightfold Path. Many people cling to the past, to insecurities, slights and mistakes. One of the best ways to let go of these issues is to express them, either in writing or verbally to someone you trust. Letting go of attachments is essential to overcome suffering. I am puzzled at how such a practical tool can be dismissed as 'not good buddhism'.

    But then, I am new to the practice and here to learn. Setting aside my preconceptions is a good start.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited June 2010
    I remember reading an account of Allan Ginsberg attending a retreat, involving periods of meditation, in the open air, under the stars, by a fire....
    (I think I read about it in one of Lama Surya Das's "Trilogy" works....)

    He was keeping a journal.
    The lama leading the Retreat and meditations, asked him,
    "What is it you are doing there?
    Ginsberg replied that he was journalling his thoughts, to keep track of his meditation, and to be able to look back and to remember the experience. He was writing "bubbles" of thoughts....
    May I see?" asked the Lama.
    Ginsberg handed him the book.
    The Lama promptly threw it into the fire.
    "Bubbles burst! Not important! Looking back not good! Look here, see now!"

    I used to keep a journal, until I discovered, that in my case, while it seemed therapeutic to write everything down, in actual fact it was doing more to keep me stuck there, rather than letting me move on.

    You do as you feel best, as you feel now.
    In time, it's likely you'll see things in a different light. What that light will be, nobody can tell.
    But sure as eggs is eggs, in time, you'll think differently.
  • johnathanjohnathan Canada Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Is the phase, "As sure ad eggs is eggs..." A Buddhist phrase? I'd not heard it before this site. I've seen it a few times now... :D
  • GlowGlow Veteran
    edited June 2010
    I originally wrote a somewhat long response, but I felt the point was getting lost. Anyway, in brief: A journal/diary is simply someplace where one writes on a regular basis. It can be used for anything from keeping track of important dates at the office to fleshing out drafts of poetry/fiction/expository writing, to articulating experience so that they can eventually be communicated to oneself and others. We can sometimes use journaling as a way of trying to escape our problems (in other words, in an "unBuddhist" way). We can, however, also journal simply because we enjoy writing and playing with language, in the same way we can enjoy sports, cooking, dancing, music, posting on a message board (many people here are using this forum as a sort of journal) or any number of things.
  • edited June 2010
    federica wrote: »
    I used to keep a journal, until I discovered, that in my case, while it seemed therapeutic to write everything down, in actual fact it was doing more to keep me stuck there, rather than letting me move on.

    That is contrary to my own experiences, but to each his or her own.

    At the risk of derailing an interesting thread, if journalling is frowned upon, what is the recommended way to overcome attachments or stop clinging to events in the past?
  • FoibleFullFoibleFull Canada Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Grim wrote: »
    That is contrary to my own experiences, but to each his or her own.

    At the risk of derailing an interesting thread, if journalling is frowned upon, what is the recommended way to overcome attachments or stop clinging to events in the past?

    I think federica is basically saying the same thing that behavioral psychologists are so fond of pointing out ... "The behavior you attend to is the behavior you reinforce." And journalling is one (of many) ways to reinforce a behavior or thought-pattern, even though we think we are "getting rid of it" by writing it down.

    It is not that journalling is frowned upon by Buddhists ... oh my, we ALL do things that do not further our progress down the path! Continually! This is because we are not enlightened! So, no frowning upon allowed!

    Rather than trying to throw away or get rid of those emotional and mental habits that we do not want, we set NEW habits/imprints by doing our Practice.

    The way to overcome attachments/stop clinging is to (1) meditate regularly, (2) practice mindfulness through the day, and (3) be patient and compassionate both with others and with ourselves. Access to a teacher (either sporadically or regularly) can be of great assistance in understanding what we need to do, and in making corrections as needed.
  • edited June 2010
    FoibleFull wrote: »
    It is not that journalling is frowned upon by Buddhists ... oh my, we ALL do things that do not further our progress down the path! Continually! This is because we are not enlightened! So, no frowning upon allowed!

    Thank you, that put a smile on my face.

    What you say makes perfect sense from a long-term, big picture perspective. Over time meditation, mindfulness and compassion/kindness is essential to overcome suffering. From a North American quick-fix perspective, talking about something or writing it down helps right now.

    There was a Canadian comedy group called the Frantics that did a wonderful skit that sums up the Western mentality:

    Master: Approach students. Close the circle at the feet of the master. You have come to me asking that I be your guide along the path of tae-kwon-leep, but be warned. To learn its ways, you must learn the ways of your own soul. Let us meditate on this wisdom now.

    Ed: Uh sir... sir... ooo! ooo! Sir!

    Master: Who disturbs our meditation as a pebble disturbs a pond?

    Ed: Me. Ed Gruberman. No disrespect or nothing, but like how long is this going to take?

    Master: Tae-Kwon-Leep is not a path to a door, but a road leading forever towards the horizon.

    Ed: So like, what, an hour or so?
  • FoibleFullFoibleFull Canada Veteran
    edited June 2010
    :lol::lol::lol:
    Thanks for the laugh!
  • seeker242seeker242 Zen Florida, USA Veteran
    edited June 2010
    As I view it, writing down thoughts is in fact letting them go. Out of the head and unto the paper. They do not have to vanish into oblivion to vanish. They can just be right there, on the paper - released, let go of.
    If the idea was to pin thoughts, the process would require the writer to actively make up new thoughts around the same, old topic - thus creating stress and suffering.
    That is not how I understood the OP, though. I think of it like channeling out thoughts. When you close the book, the thoughts stay in there.

    I have found this to be the case for myself in some extremely challenging past situations. So essentially it was like:

    Troubling thought in head causing problems --> Write it down ---> No longer any troubling thoughts in head. --> no more problem. Worked like a charm really. However, the papers weren't being saved for later review, analysis or anything like that. I think I threw them in the garbage soon afterward. I think saving it for review or later analysis could easily cause it to persist and prevent the letting go. I think keeping a journal could be beneficial as long as you tear out the pages every night and burn them. :lol:
  • FoibleFullFoibleFull Canada Veteran
    edited June 2010
    seeker242 wrote: »
    I have found this to be the case for myself in some extremely challenging past situations. So essentially it was like:

    Troubling thought in head causing problems --> Write it down ---> No longer any troubling thoughts in head. --> no more problem. Worked like a charm really. However, the papers weren't being saved for later review, analysis or anything like that. I think I threw them in the garbage soon afterward. I think saving it for review or later analysis could easily cause it to persist and prevent the letting go. I think keeping a journal could be beneficial as long as you tear out the pages every night and burn them. :lol:

    Yes, there is no doubt that journalling - putting a problem onto paper - can take that problem out of your head. However, we still retain this habit of making problems out of things, and taking one particular problem out of our head does not cure this overall pattern of problem-making. More will quickly move in to fill the void.

    Think of this habit of making problems as being a rash. When we itch, all we recognize is that particular instance of itching, so we scratch. This scatching temporarily makes the itching go away, so we mistakenly think that scratching is the solution. But, of course, the rash does not go away if we keep scratching it. Any doctor will tell us to stop scratching so the rash can heal.

    There is where we say: Buddhism is the doctor. Dharma is the salve that cures the itching, and the sangha (ordained) show us how to apply that salve.
  • johnathanjohnathan Canada Veteran
    edited June 2010
    FoibleFull wrote: »
    Yes, there is no doubt that journalling - putting a problem onto paper - can take that problem out of your head. However, we still retain this habit of making problems out of things, and taking one particular problem out of our head does not cure this overall pattern of problem-making. More will quickly move in to fill the void.

    Think of this habit of making problems as being a rash. When we itch, all we recognize is that particular instance of itching, so we scratch. This scatching temporarily makes the itching go away, so we mistakenly think that scratching is the solution. But, of course, the rash does not go away if we keep scratching it. Any doctor will tell us to stop scratching so the rash can heal.

    There is where we say: Buddhism is the doctor. Dharma is the salve that cures the itching, and the sangha (ordained) show us how to apply that salve.

    Thanks FoibleFull... very good analogy... I had thought of journaling a while back but didn't because I came to this conclusion... It is the same with people who "vent" to there friends and claim it helps them to "get it out of their system", unfortunately this is the exact opposite of what it does... it only serves to re-enforce the situation into an attachment to it... the story is told over and over to other friends... whatever was vented becomes a part of that person... sometimes it is altered in the telling... after a while that which was altered seems a reality until eventually it reflects little of what was... The person is often unaware after a while of the alteration and believes the altered story to be true.
  • edited June 2010
    From my experience, it can be helpful, but only in balanced proportions. Like most things, if we do it too much, it becomes no good, no matter what it is! I very rarely go back and read things I've written. I don't journal so that I can read about it later. I journal to help focus my mind. Lots of times I've got things floating around in there, and sometimes I feel that putting them on paper (or in my private online blog) would help me to pin them down and look at them. I've discovered lots and lots of things by writing them down. Good, helpful, real things. (I think.) And other times it just helps as a little nudge in the right direction. I mean, not all thoughts are bad and to be ignored. We have lots of useful thoughts as well, right? At least I think we do. At the very least, we have thoughts that help us to pin down what our "problems" are. And following those thoughts to their source is a way to find out what's going on beneath it all, fundamentally. Whether this is actually useful or not...well, I think it is. But ask my friends, I'm a bit of a basket case, lol. But I think I seem like a basket case because I'm dealing with my real issues, and not just the ways they manifest themselves! Oh idk...haha. Anyway, what I was getting at was that journaling is a good way to follow your thoughts. For me anyway. On the flip side, yes, journaling too much is giving too much importance to these fleeting thoughts. I do agree that "venting" to someone may provide immediate relief, but it's short lived. And same with venting to a journal. If you think you've just got to get these thoughts out of your head, or these feelings out onto paper, well, then I think that's a non-helpful reason to journal. They are just thoughts and feelings. Having to write them down to provide relief is giving them undue power over you. As with most things, it's why we do them that is really important. Not the thing itself. :)
  • FoibleFullFoibleFull Canada Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Thanks Johnathan, but the analogy comes from a teaching by Pema Chodron ... not mine.
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