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Im so ****** angry right now..

edited June 2010 in Buddhism Basics
some people stole a lot of money from me. ALL my money in fact.
All i have left is my mom and she's getting old
I'm thinking, when I lose her, I will go after these people who stole my money.

I will forget Buddhism during this time.. these people have taken everything from me... left me to die..

but before i die for real.. i want to take some of them with me.
I want them to know pain and anger.

Comments

  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Have you called the police? I would highly recommend not taking the law into your own hands. If you think you know who is responsible then inform the police of this.
  • edited June 2010
    Advice from the Blessed One:

    "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned." - the Buddha

    "He who deserves punishment must be punished, and he who is worthy of favor must be favored. Yet at the same time he teaches to do no injury to any living being but to be full of love and kindness. These injunctions are not contradictory, for whosoever must be punished for the crimes which he has committed, suffers his injury not through the ill-will of the judge but on account of his evildoing. His own acts have brought upon him the injury that the executer of the law inflicts. When a magistrate punishes, let him not harbor hatred in his breast, yet a murderer, when put to death, should consider that this is the fruit of his own act. As soon as he will understand that the punishment will purify his soul, he will no longer lament his fate but rejoice at it." - the Buddha


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  • not1not2not1not2 Veteran
    edited June 2010
    TheFound wrote: »
    some people stole a lot of money from me. ALL my money in fact.
    All i have left is my mom and she's getting old
    I'm thinking, when I lose her, I will go after these people who stole my money.

    I will forget Buddhism during this time.. these people have taken everything from me... left me to die..

    but before i die for real.. i want to take some of them with me.
    I want them to know pain and anger.

    Maybe it would be better for you to know peace and wisdom than it would be for them to know pain and anger.
    A Zen master, lived the simplest kind of life in a little hut at the foot of a mountain. One evening a thief visited the hut only to discover there was nothing to steal.

    The Zen Master returned and caught him. “You have come a long way to visit me,” he told the prowler, “and you should not return empty-handed. Please take my clothes as a gift.”

    The thief was bewildered. He took the clothes and slunk away.
    The Zen Master sat naked, watching the moon. “Poor fellow,” he mused, “I wish I could have given him this beautiful moon.”

    Now, you may feel when people steal from you that they HAVE taken the beautiful moon from you. In other words, they take away your ability to be happy and at peace with life. To be in the moment rather than consumed by poisonous emotions. Well, that's the thing about this life/world. It's up to you to grab the moon again (so to speak). One subject for contemplation the Buddha advised his disciples to take up goes as follows:
    Even were bandits savagely to sever you
    limb from limb with a two-handled saw,
    He who on that account entertained hate in his heart,
    Would not be one who carried out my teaching.
    Bhikkhus, you should keep this instruction on the
    Simile of the Saw constantly in mind.
    ~ The Buddha (MN 21)

    This is something that the Buddha wanted those on the path to contemplate, to arrive at. What state of mind/wisdom would it take to be undisturbed by torturers? How far are you from that state? What will it take for you to get there? Of course, in our current, deluded state, the mind horrors at the idea of being okay with someone hacking off your limbs. But the point is not actually to get your limbs hacked off but to rather cut off the negative mental constructs at their root and be free of the shackles of suffering.

    So, as difficult as it may be for you to come to terms with the anger arising in you right now, that is really what you should be focusing on if you want something out of this practice. So what do you want out of this practice?
  • ValtielValtiel Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Brilliant. More public death threats. Phone the police then for christ sake. You still think you should be teaching people, Master Roshi?
  • aMattaMatt Veteran
    edited June 2010
    TheFound wrote: »
    some people stole a lot of money from me. ALL my money in fact.
    All i have left is my mom and she's getting old
    I'm thinking, when I lose her, I will go after these people who stole my money.

    I will forget Buddhism during this time.. these people have taken everything from me... left me to die..

    but before i die for real.. i want to take some of them with me.
    I want them to know pain and anger.

    TheFound,

    It seems more likely you have forgotten Buddhism already, if it was ever known in the first place. You also seem quite melodramatic, you should consider some therapy or getting started on a sitting meditation practice with a respectable teacher.

    I'm sorry for your loss,

    Matt
  • not1not2not1not2 Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Half of the story of the Buddhist path is noticing all the stories we tell ourselves. Once we start to see this, the stories become more open to shape and mold in better ways.

    We make stories of being wronged.

    We make stories of being praised.

    We make stories of being Buddhists.

    We can make just about any kind of stories, so the question arises as to what kind of stories are worthwhile.
  • edited June 2010
    i guess since you came here TF you are at least somewhat willing to listen to some advice
    a lot of money being stolen can be frustrating.
    but come now man! you know the laws. both manmade and spiritual. violence only begets more violence, and violence in the heart only brings about ruin and pain, revenge can only be sweet for a short time before it turns into a bitter poison.

    today i got angry at several people, but i just meditated immediately after and remembered my vows, and that getting angry wasnt worthwhile at all and i was immensely calmed down.
    please T F , do the same and remember your heart, don't forsake yourself , because when you forsake yourself you forsake all of us and cause nothing but harm
    love is the ultimate happiness.
    anger is just death.
  • pegembarapegembara Veteran
    edited June 2010
    TheFound wrote: »
    some people stole a lot of money from me. ALL my money in fact.
    All i have left is my mom and she's getting old
    I'm thinking, when I lose her, I will go after these people who stole my money.

    I will forget Buddhism during this time.. these people have taken everything from me... left me to die..

    but before i die for real.. i want to take some of them with me.
    I want them to know pain and anger.


    Let the law deal with the problem and move on. If you can truly let it go, all this will eventually just be like a bad dream and cannot touch you.

    No one can truly hurt you. Only you can.
  • FoibleFullFoibleFull Canada Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Your anger is causing you more harm than the theft by others.
  • NomaDBuddhaNomaDBuddha Scalpel wielder :) Bucharest Veteran
    edited June 2010
    TheFound wrote: »
    some people stole a lot of money from me. ALL my money in fact.
    All i have left is my mom and she's getting old
    I'm thinking, when I lose her, I will go after these people who stole my money.

    I will forget Buddhism during this time.. these people have taken everything from me... left me to die..

    but before i die for real.. i want to take some of them with me.
    I want them to know pain and anger.

    Slow down man ! Take a deep breath ! You are still alive !
    First think about how will you get up from the ground.
    Plan the revenge later.
  • FoibleFullFoibleFull Canada Veteran
    edited June 2010
    No, no ... no revenge, not now, not later.

    You have been given the opportunity to see a great truth ...
    Look at yourself and how you are feeling.
    This is the suffering the Buddha taught about.
    This is the suffering that arises from attachment and from aversion, from anger and from wanting revenge.
    Is this really what you want out for yourself from your life?

    The biggest problem with revenge (compassion aside, karma aside) ... is that it perpetuates your anger, it perpetuates your suffering.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited June 2010
    I think he just posted to get us to dissuade him...I mean really, what member of a Buddhist forum posts that they intend true violence, unless they're either raving loony, or ranting loudly? :rolleyes:
  • ShutokuShutoku Veteran
    edited June 2010
    TheFound wrote: »
    some people stole a lot of money from me. ALL my money in fact.
    All i have left is my mom and she's getting old
    I'm thinking, when I lose her, I will go after these people who stole my money.

    I will forget Buddhism during this time.. these people have taken everything from me... left me to die..

    but before i die for real.. i want to take some of them with me.
    I want them to know pain and anger.
    I'm not sure I really need to point this out, but you seem to be suggesting that Buddhism is only for when things are good.
    Actually the last time I checked Buddhism is because of suffering caused by attachment. My friend, Buddhism is EXACTLY what you need RIGHT NOW.
  • edited June 2010
    From one human to another - let it go my friend.

    Your money is gone, their time will come.

    As for you, don't let your negative emotions consume you and allow you to make regretful decisions.

    The philosophical debate we can leave for later, but for now, let's be smart.

    Peace.
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited June 2010
    And as Ajahn Brahm likes to say "You don't need to seek revenge, because kamma will get the bastards anyway!"
  • NomaDBuddhaNomaDBuddha Scalpel wielder :) Bucharest Veteran
    edited June 2010
    FoibleFull wrote: »
    No, no ... no revenge, not now, not later.

    You have been given the opportunity to see a great truth ...
    Look at yourself and how you are feeling.
    This is the suffering the Buddha taught about.
    This is the suffering that arises from attachment and from aversion, from anger and from wanting revenge.
    Is this really what you want out for yourself from your life?

    The biggest problem with revenge (compassion aside, karma aside) ... is that it perpetuates your anger, it perpetuates your suffering.

    About revenge...about the tought of revenge...I said that The Found should first find a way to get up. In the process of finding a way and getting off the ground , he will forget about revenge.
  • FoibleFullFoibleFull Canada Veteran
    edited June 2010
    About revenge...about the tought of revenge...I said that The Found should first find a way to get up. In the process of finding a way and getting off the ground , he will forget about revenge.

    Well said!
  • jinzangjinzang Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Even if someone driven by desire steals all your wealth
    Or incites someone else to steal it,
    To dedicate to this person your body, possessions,
    and all your virtue of the three times
    Is the practice of a Bodhisattva.

    From The 37 Practices of a Bodhisattva

    Don't mean to suggest I lack sympathy for your problem, if there's anything I can do to help, please let me know here.
  • edited June 2010
    Something that always helps me to reduce my anger is to think things like, "They are just people, too, like me. They want to be happy just like me. They suffer. They were once babies, and they will someday die. Their actions are only out of fear, and I can sympathize with that, for I have also known fear. I have also acted aggressively in response to discomfort." Things like that. So you can relate to them a bit.

    I've been doing loving-kindness meditation lately, and I always always make sure to include my ex boyfriend. He hurt me a lot. Not that he did anything wrong, but the pain just brought me to feel anger towards him. So I started wishing him well. It's taking its time, but I know someday I will automatically wish him well, instead of having to cultivate it. Perhaps you can use this technique with the thieves?

    And one last thing to consider is how this anger effects you. It causes you to suffer. That is all. Doesn't hurt the ones that hurt you. Be kind to yourself. You've done nothing wrong. :) Relax. Be as kind to yourself as you can. You deserve it.

    I hope you regain balance soon. Best wishes. :)
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Found I would be pretty angry too.. I suggest focus on getting back what you feel you need to be happy. If that involves actions by the cops then so be it. But there is more options and more space. See the space its all existing in. Its like a movie screen and the loss of money is the movie. Even having all those things the money could provide is not really enough.

    You must be true to your heart. And I don't think that is vengeance deep down.

    In any case I would advise being on the side of the law.

    We can get so caught up in BS. Particularly he and she BS.
  • edited June 2010
    TheFound wrote: »
    some people stole a lot of money from me. ALL my money in fact.
    All i have left is my mom and she's getting old
    I'm thinking, when I lose her, I will go after these people who stole my money.

    I will forget Buddhism during this time.. these people have taken everything from me... left me to die..

    but before i die for real.. i want to take some of them with me.
    I want them to know pain and anger.

    How exactly did they steal it? Why were you friends with these sorts of people? How do you know who stole it?
  • edited June 2010
    FoibleFull wrote: »
    Your anger is causing you more harm than the theft by others.

    That is brilliant FoibleFull :)

    If only we could remember the wisdom we're giving when WE are the ones angry.
  • edited June 2010
    We will not be punished for our anger; we will be punished by our anger.
    The Buddha
  • edited June 2010
    I dont think I have ever seen The Found respond in one of his own posts.

    I really wonder if he even reads his responses.
  • edited June 2010
    TheFound wrote: »
    some people stole a lot of money from me. ALL my money in fact.
    All i have left is my mom and she's getting old
    I'm thinking, when I lose her, I will go after these people who stole my money.

    I will forget Buddhism during this time.. these people have taken everything from me... left me to die..

    but before i die for real.. i want to take some of them with me.
    I want them to know pain and anger.

    do you even know who these people are?
  • edited June 2010
    We will not be punished for our anger; we will be punished by our anger.
    The Buddha

    what does that even mean?
  • edited June 2010
    TheFound wrote: »
    some people stole a lot of money from me. ALL my money in fact.
    All i have left is my mom and she's getting old
    I'm thinking, when I lose her, I will go after these people who stole my money.

    I will forget Buddhism during this time.. these people have taken everything from me... left me to die..

    but before i die for real.. i want to take some of them with me.
    I want them to know pain and anger.

    seriously contact the cops and get back your money.
  • not1not2not1not2 Veteran
    edited June 2010
    daveysmith wrote: »
    what does that even mean?

    It means that an angry mind is punishment in itself. It also means acting with an angry mind brings about worse circumstances.
  • edited June 2010
    not1not2 wrote: »
    It means that an angry mind is punishment in itself. It also means acting with an angry mind brings about worse circumstances.

    ok I think I got what you mean. Anger is bad for health and it affects the people around us.
  • KundoKundo Sydney, Australia Veteran
    edited June 2010
    I haven't been here in a while - lots of stuff going on IRL but you know Lamarama - that is SO correct. Too bad I haven't remembered that lately :(

    But as Shutoku said - when we feel this way that is EXACTLY when we need the Dhamma and the Middle Way. It's not just for when things are all peachy. I know from my own experience lately that I have neglected my practise and have paid for it :hrm:

    Respectfully,
    Raven

    We will not be punished for our anger; we will be punished by our anger.
    The Buddha
  • edited June 2010
    The actions of others are their Karma. How you respond to them is YOUR Karma.
  • edited June 2010
    i know your mad, but money isnt everything, and you cans till get by. it is painful that people would be hurtful to you, but it will get better, and they will learn that the pain they cause to you and to others is wrong and they will better themselves. by letting the actions of these people taint yourself, you only allow more pain into the world, by having hate for those that hurt you, you only bring more hate into the world.
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