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Sickness

edited July 2010 in Buddhism Basics
If sickness along with death , age-ing , loss and so on are the negatives of this life. Then am i blessed with terrible bad karma from my pass lives as i have i am terribly sick with a sickness call iratable bowel syndrome which basically means my digestive system isnt working as it should . Thoughts ? Sorry just to add also feel this sickness affects my quality of life.

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  • FlorianFlorian Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Perhaps you have good karma from past lives, and that is why your IBS is not terminal cancer. I also have IBS, and as it forced me to give up my job and spend more time at home being thoughtful I regard it as a blessing. No doubt the laws work in mysterious ways.
  • edited June 2010
    I had surgery for diverticulitis ten weeks ago, and I have a colostomy. This morning I woke up at 3:30 AM to find that the colostomy bag had broken and there was s*** on my lower abdomen and on my upper thighs.

    I think the equanimity I have learned from Buddhism and meditation have helped a lot and I could recommend that to anyone. I just went and took a shower and put on a new bag and went outside to smoke a cigarette while watching a beautiful thunderstorm. Buddhism has taught me to look at these things as no big deal- they just are what they are. You can choose how to react to them.

    I wish you well.
  • edited June 2010
    I think its important to remember and contemplate, that sickness, old age, death and so forth, aren't negative in and of themselves. It is the way we relate to these experiences that causes us to see certain experiences as either desirable, undesirable, and neutral.
    All compounded phenomena are by their very nature subject to change and decay, so sickness and death aren't negative, but simply just the way life is.

    When we are sick and in pain, we tend to think and say that "there is something wrong with us". This expression clearly shows our misconception - sickness, pain and so forth are unavoidable parts of life, so when we experience these, its not because there is something wrong with us, something is actually "right" with us.

    This doesn't mean that its not difficult to cope with these things - it is! But by contemplating the fact that it is not the circumstances that are "wrong" but the way we relate to them, gives us the ability to do something about it, and helps us to let go of the "poor ME" and victim mentality that we tend to cling so desperately too.

    Much love

    Allan
  • thug4lyfethug4lyfe Explorer
    edited June 2010
    Death is inevitable, to accept it is not to fear it. But by letting go you can live an eternal life by breaking the cycle of reincarnation.
  • Ficus_religiosaFicus_religiosa Veteran
    edited June 2010
    I think it is very important not to blame oneself for illnesses which no one is responsible for. Like allanstevns says, it's part of life. And that's it.
    What a troubled life you would live, if everything bad was thought to be both deserved and ones own fault. Life is not mysterious in it's ways, it's absurd and we have to freely choose the absurdity (as old Camus said).
  • seeker242seeker242 Zen Florida, USA Veteran
    edited June 2010
    If sickness along with death , age-ing , loss and so on are the negatives of this life
    As I understand this, the Buddha taught that these "negatives" are not really negatives at all. He said we just think that they are negatives because we don't like unpleasant things like sickness, old age and death. And we do like pleasant things like heath, youth and life. Which, he said, is simply the natural response of being a human being. Therefore, because a human beings natural response is to cling to these pleasant things and try to avoid these unpleasant things, human beings suffer.

    But he also said it is possible to stop labeling these things as "positive and negative" and possible to stop wanting pleasant things and possible to stop wanting to avoid unpleasant things, therefore putting an end to all suffering, regardless of seemingly pleasant or unpleasant conditions. This is why the wise teachers say things like "Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional", etc. So with this view is it possible to experience great pain and sickness without any suffering because of it. In other words, sickness, old age and death are no longer "problems".

    The question now is really: How does one attain this view where suffering is not possible even when one is experiencing great sickness?
  • ValtielValtiel Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Florian wrote: »
    Perhaps you have good karma from past lives, and that is why your IBS is not terminal cancer.

    Yeah, exactly. It's the terminal cancer patients who are getting their bad karma dues in this life. Sucks to be them, but they well deserve it! :coffee:
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Past karma may or may not be the cause of your sickness; who can honestly say? The cause of your sickness (from a spiritual perspective, not a medical perspective) doesn't matter. What matters is the karma you are making NOW.
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited June 2010
    When we are sick and in pain, we tend to think and say that "there is something wrong with us". This expression clearly shows our misconception - sickness, pain and so forth are unavoidable parts of life, so when we experience these, its not because there is something wrong with us, something is actually "right" with us.

    Allan has been listening to Ajahn Brahm! :D
  • edited June 2010
    GuyC wrote: »
    Allan has been listening to Ajahn Brahm! :D

    Its a valuable teaching. Not judged on who said it, but because its true and helpful.
    And the truth is spoken from many directions.
  • edited June 2010
    I regard my own ill health (a Sudden Death Syndrome) as a gift. I have been far more motivated to practice as a result. I also have very many more opportunities to practice as I spend most of my time at home when I am not at work. I don't know if this is my kamma, and it doesn't really matter if it is! If it is then I am working through bad kamma and trying not to sow more bad seeds!

    IBS is painful and debilitating and I am sorry that you and so many others have to experience it - but you are not alone.

    Sherab have you tried any other brands or styles of bags to try and avoid breakage and leaks? I think there are lots of styles and products out there.

    Metta
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Its a valuable teaching. Not judged on who said it, but because its true and helpful.
    And the truth is spoken from many directions.

    Agreed.
  • FlorianFlorian Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Valtiel wrote: »
    Yeah, exactly. It's the terminal cancer patients who are getting their bad karma dues in this life. Sucks to be them, but they well deserve it! :coffee:
    I presume that's a joke. Just in case it's not I'll say that this is obviously not what I meant.
  • edited June 2010
    XKarmaX wrote: »
    If sickness along with death , age-ing , loss and so on are the negatives of this life.

    There is your misconception. They aren't the negatives of this life. They are the realities of this life. There's this song I really like, that I just recently found new meaning in. Some of the lines are:

    We can all be sure
    that something awful's coming this way.

    Take it apart, let it all go
    holding it back it's all just so--
    why did I care, how did it go?
    wait for a while and I guess that
    I won't be around here for too very long.

    Haha it's such an emo kinda band...but whether they meant it or not, they hit the nail on the head. Death is coming for all of us. You didn't do anything wrong to "deserve" it. Everyone has their problems. There is suffering. Don't forget the first of the four noble truths.

    This is your life. It's all you have. I have struggled with depression and anxiety for the past two years. And I'm getting to the point where I'm grateful for it as my most persistent teacher. Maybe you can look at your IBS similarly. Make friends with it. You might as well. :)
  • edited July 2010
    thank you guys for replying it truly helped me , much love and i hope i will recover from it soon .. :)
  • edited July 2010
    IBS can also be stress-related, so your sickness could be very directly be caused by or linked to negative states of mind, and for some, such negative states of mind and the suffering that comes with them are the bad karma that comes from unskillful living. I'm not sure I'm skillful enough to really explain clearly what I mean though :/
  • edited July 2010
    anna wrote: »
    IBS can also be stress-related, so your sickness could be very directly be caused by or linked to negative states of mind, and for some, such negative states of mind and the suffering that comes with them are the bad karma that comes from unskillful living. I'm not sure I'm skillful enough to really explain clearly what I mean though :/

    And there are various medical causes too that have to do with simple facts. Reduction of stress can be one solution among many.
  • edited July 2010
    And there are various medical causes too that have to do with simple facts. Reduction of stress can be one solution among many.

    As a suffer myself, I agree the causes can be varied. In my case, one strong factor (of several) is stress/anxiety.
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