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Is meditation essential?

I do try to meditate if I have time. But I rarely find the time with my studying/working and karate training to have the time to sit and meditate. I do breathing exercises when Im waiting for things, or walking places.

I just find it easier to stick to the 5 precepts and be a generally nice person. I do believe in karma as much as "what goes around comes around" so I try to go out of my way to be nice to people or do favours, but I think really Im living at the lowest level of Buddhism if anything at all. I am friends with a group of Nepalese nationals who all suffer from the same problem, so I guess its not really a rare problem.

What are peoples thoughts on this? :rolleyes:

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  • edited June 2010
    You can understand the teachings on the conceptual level, and lead a good life in accordance with them as long as you are mindful.....but without insight meditation, that 'click' that gives you true wisdom that is born of your own mind, no longer belief but sight, will not likely occur.

    It's up to you.

    Namaste
  • edited June 2010
    I do think about teachings that ive heard on audio readings (that i listen to before bed) and I can see what the teachings are saying in people I meet in everyday life.

    I just cant seem to find the time right now to spend a lot of time meditating. :(
  • ValtielValtiel Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Well, why do you try to practice it in the first place?
  • edited June 2010
    Why do i try and practice meditation?
  • edited June 2010
    I guess because people seem to associate Buddhism and Meditation. It also seems to be very calming and a nice experience if im honest. Its just time thats a problem for me lately.
  • edited June 2010
    I recently read yongey mingyur rinpoche's book joy of living and he says that you can, if necessary, do 5 minutes say 10 or 20 times a day if you genuinely find longer sessions difficult.
  • edited June 2010
    I use the meditation attributed to the Buddha. That is, observance of the breath. If you learn how to center the mind in this way, and always have a meditation 'object' of some kind in mind beforehand (entire concepts are useful such as Non-Self), then you can meditate for 5-10 minutes at a time whenever you get the time. It is not absolutely essential to be sitting down meditating for 30+ minutes. You don't even have to be sitting; you can meditate for a bit right before you go to sleep. :)

    There are different meditation techniques depending on tradition. In Zen, there is both sitting meditation and walking meditation for instance. A little research on these if you have the time could be of great benefit.

    (BTW if you're just talking about 'calming' meditation, rather than meditation that leads to awakening or mind-sight of reality as it stands.....we're talking about different things. Buddhist meditation is not the same meditation as people who are just stressed out and need to center themselves do. It's easy to get the two confused.)

    Namaste
  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Yes. Otherwise you end up with lots of ideas about Buddhism and think you know it. Until you meditate you will remain fused to your thought stream and experiencing what the words point to will be impossible.
  • edited June 2010
    I guess because people seem to associate Buddhism and Meditation. It also seems to be very calming and a nice experience if im honest. Its just time thats a problem for me lately.

    It doesn't matter what people associate Buddhism with. People also associate that fat guy with the Buddha, which is incorrect.

    I'm sure many people think Buddhism is just meditation, but honestly I was only drawn to Buddhism for its philosophy, psychology, and commentary on existence.

    I try to meditate, but I'm not good at it and I don't do it often.


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  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited June 2010
    It doesn't matter what people associate Buddhism with. People also associate that fat guy with the Buddha, which is incorrect..
    Meditation is "associated" with Buddhism like wetness is "associated" with water.
    I'm sure many people think Buddhism is just meditation, but honestly I was only drawn to Buddhism for its philosophy, psychology, and commentary on existence.
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    in other words you were drawn to its exterior.
    I try to meditate, but I'm not good at it and I don't do it often. ..
    Being good at it doesn't matter at first. No one is good at it. It is worth persevering
  • edited June 2010

    I try to meditate, but I'm not good at it and I don't do it often.

    Yup. I'm 58 and I have been reading and studying about Buddhism and trying to live the bodhisattva way since I was about 14, but I really just got around to serious sitting this past year when I was having ferocious panic attacks.

    So don't worry about it, Shotokan-W. You'll get around to it, or it will get around to you.

    Be well.
  • GlowGlow Veteran
    edited June 2010
    I guess because people seem to associate Buddhism and Meditation.
    Why are you studying Buddhism?

    The Buddha described his teaching as suffering and the end of suffering. Meditation aids in achieving this freedom from suffering because it helps us notice and disengage from the three poisonous mental habits (kilesas): craving (wanting reality to give us what it can't), aversion (raging against what reality presents to us) and ignorance (automatically giving into our conditioned habits, without knowing or questioning what we are doing).
  • ValtielValtiel Veteran
    edited June 2010
    I guess because people seem to associate Buddhism and Meditation. It also seems to be very calming and a nice experience if im honest. Its just time thats a problem for me lately.

    If you want to know whether it's necessary or not, first I would start by finding out the purpose of meditation in Buddhism (it's not relaxation meditation), and learning a proper technique from a Buddhist teacher. Whether it's necessary or not also depends on your purpose in practicing... which Javelin touched on in his post. :)
  • ShutokuShutoku Veteran
    edited June 2010
    I post this in no way to debate anything or try to convert anyone, only because it is relevant to the topic of if meditation is necessary in Buddhism. Another disclaimer...the following is only my interpretation. I am not a Sensei.

    In Jodo Shinshu there is no formal meditation at all. In fact some frown on it as a "self power" practice. However in jodo shinshu we recite the Nembutsu, "Namu Amida Butsu".
    Now Nembutsu actually means meditation on Buddha, however instead of formal periods of meditation, you might recite it to yourself at any time.

    The important thing about Nembutsu to remember though,(at least from a Jodo Shinshu perspective) is that it is not something we do in order to attain anything. It is purely an expression of gratitude to Amida Buddha.
    I am going to be repeating myself here from other threads I"ve posted in, but there seems to be a fairly prevalent view of Pure Land Buddhism as being basically a Buddhist form of Christianity.

    Amida Buddha, translated literally means "Perfectly Awakened Infinite Light and Life"
    Namu means to take refuge in....I rather like a more poetic translation of "being embraced by" myself.
    So Namu Amida Butsu is "embraced by perfectly awakened Infinite Light and Life"
    Now the question may be asked....why symbolize suchness as Amida Buddha?.
    In the Contemplation Sutra Shakyamuni explains something to the effect of our minds being sort of like water....taking on the shape of the vessel it is poured into. So in a sense our minds become that which we think about, so it is important to think about wholesome things.
    Thinking about a perfect, infinite Buddha is therefore a way for the mind to take the shape of Buddha.

    Another important aspect of Jodo Shinshu is it's rejection of "Self Power" and its reliance on "Other Power". Many people will feel compelled to point out that Buddha said we should rely on ourselves for enlightenment, and this business of "other power" and relying on Amida seems to fly in the face of that.
    The thing is, Shinran (founder of Jodo Shinshu) was rather weary of ego contrived efforts to attain enlightenment. Indeed we can see people who feel they have become quite adept at meditation who become very proud and full of themselves and their self perceived holiness. So the "self power" we are opposing in Jodo Shinshu is ego, and ego contrived ways of "attaining" enlightenment. The "other power" we are advocating is suchness.

    I would explain it like this...If we are waves on the ocean of suchness..waves don't really need to do anything to be suchness...they already are embraced by the ocean, and cannot actually be other than ocean. If a wave doesn't realize this it will suffer, and the more it tries to do something about it...the more it is being a wave and not realising it's true ocean nature.
    We have a teaching that is saying "hey the ocean is already embracing you. Gravity is naturally going to unite you with the ocean, just trust in that and you will be fine"
    I am using gravity here as a metaphor of Amida's vow.(itself a metaphor IMHO).

    For myself I am reciting the nembutsu many times every day, but not necesarrily in a formal meditative way. Most times it just comes out. I could be making my morning tea, or going for a stroll, or in line at the grocery store, or whatever. One of the beautiful things about it is it is so portable! In a sense I can meditate anywhere anytime...and I do!:lol:

    I do also sit at my shrine each morning and most nights, chant a sutra and recite the nembutsu more formally (although still with an attitude of gratitude, not one of gaining something).

    I certainly consider myself Buddhist...deeply so. And it is based on practice, not just philosophy. So my answer to the question is certainly one can be deeply Buddhist and not practice formal meditation, at least in the Jodo Shinshu Tradition.
  • edited June 2010
    you don't necessarily have sitting down alone and meditating in silence.
    in theory, it is possible to practice during your daily activities, in other words, you should be watching your thoughts, raising your awareness, and trying to relax the mind.

    whatever you do, wherever you go, you should be practising :) try to release the tension of your mind and relax, that is meditation too.
  • NiosNios Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Many many buddhists in eastern countries have never meditated. The question one needs to ask oneselfis, what do you hope to achieve?
  • edited June 2010
    I guess I started studying Buddhism because I read about the 5 precepts and they really made sense to me, I also find that karma (probably in its most raw of senses) is true. I dont think I could ever be so monastic with my approach to Buddhism. As I said before i have a large group of friends who are buddhist by birth as it were, and really I just live like them. I would like to understand the teachings more, but when you are trying to study for a degree in engineering, work, train in a martial art and run a house. It rarely leaves me time to myself except inbetween little jobs.
  • edited June 2010
    You seem to be doing pretty good to me.:)
    I too as I'm sure most people do have a busy lifestyle but I'm lucky enough to be able to find 20 minutes a day to meditate and I do so not because I feel I have to but because I want to.
    I also practice martial arts, at the beginning of the class we meditate on our school's principles which are just out of interest; Humility, Honesty, Gentleness, Perseverance, Self Control, and Unbreakable Spirit.
    Maybe you could incorperate a few minutes meditation into your warm up or cool down. Have fun.
  • edited June 2010
    We have about a minutes mediation at the end of most lessons, then we recite the clubs Dojo kun. (similar to what you describe) it gives me a little time, but not much before i have to drive home and cook tea :D
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