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does this come with time?

It is easy to be compassionate towards those we favor. And while I do not wish harm on others - even those I do not like - i have a very difficult time even thinking of offering all my possessions, compassion, happiness and such to those i dislike. :( My knee jerk reaction is HELL NO, why would I do that when i don't like them?!?!

Okay, theoretically i get the "why", and i understand that one of my goals is to be able to one day offer such things without a second thought to all sentient beings. I would like to be this way, and quite frankly it dismays me that I am petty enough to have that knee-jerk reaction in the first place.

What i am wondering is.. do i have the right to consider myself buddhist if I cannot do this? Do i need to get past this BEFORE i can move on with other aspects, or is it something that tends to fall into place with meditation and practice? Does it count if at first I 'fake' it? As in.. when i catch myself being uncharitable in my thoughts towards those i dislike, to purposefully think the opposite whether i mean it or not, but force my mind to repeat the more skillful thoughts.. with the hopes that one day it may become more automatic? I mean, I understand that if we realize that everyone wants to be happy and no one wants to suffer and that we are all the same, that hurting one is hurting ourselves, then it is supposed to be easier to not have these unskillfull thoughts in the first place.. but .. there are some people i have so much anger and dislike for that when i get to them in particular i am petty enough to think, "okay, you you and you are fine, but NOT YOU! mwhahahahahahaha!" :D (okay, minus the evil laugh, that was a tad melodramatic.. but not entirely off base, either, as it means i am willingly holding on to hurtful feelings/thoughts, know this is what i'm doing, and do it anyway becaue it's like i want to "hurt' them -not physically, to be clear- ).

Hmm.. do i make sense? I guess i just feel like i may not be "nice enough" at this time to consider myself a buddhist. What are your thoughts on this?

Comments

  • ValtielValtiel Veteran
    edited June 2010
    What i am wondering is.. do i have the right to consider myself buddhist if I cannot do this?

    Lol. Of course!

    We're Buddhists, not buddhas. :)
    but force my mind to repeat the more skillful thoughts.. with the hopes that one day it may become more automatic?

    While forcing yourself to do what's helpful and skillful is obviously a good practice, it won't make it automatic... that takes insight and true understanding and wisdom. That's the purpose of vipassana. For it to become automatic, your perspective truly has to change, and that will come with examining your attitudes and thoughts and actually investigating and answering the "why" of "HELL NO, why would I do that when i don't like them?!?"
  • edited June 2010
    Yes, I find I have similar struggles feeling compassion for what I consider "difficult" people; and likewise felt like a "bad" Buddhist.
    Thanks, Valtiel for your response!
  • edited June 2010
    I try to remind myself on a daily basis that we are all human and we all just want to be happy, not matter what your walk of life is, but yes, it is hard to try to be nice to people that you don't like. I have several people in my life that have seriously hurt me and I have had to just let them go and wish them the best. I think that is more so important than being charitable and generous to them, just simply acknowlegding that you don't really like them but not wishing or causing them harm, you know?
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited June 2010
    It might help to change your perspective.
    Instead of disliking a person, why not dislike what they say/do?

    You can still develop compassion loving kindness and empathy for someone - but consider them human, with feelings, emotions, thoughts and reasoning, just like yours.
    They bleed if cut, they bruise if struck.
    They have all the faculties, limbs organs and identifiable characteristics you have.

    You differ in many ways. And it's these ways that make you experience negative feelings.
    But they're people, just like you.
    You may not agree, or stand with with the feelings, emotions, thoughts and reasoning they demonstrate, but that's all excess to them as a person.
    And emotions are transitory.

    By all means, feel what you feel. Permit these opinions to arise, address them, but then let them be.
    Don't carry them as baggage.
    Realise you have them, accept you have them, acknowledge you have them.
    Then know that these people are just operating from a place they feel or hope will bring them control, security and happiness.
    And let it go.....
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Keep in mind that even bodhisattvas try to be skillful in their generosity. You can read up many books on how to be generous. A part of it is spontaneity. So if you have budgeted your money so much that if a hungry animal comes and if you feed it YOU will be hungry then that is miserable so you have to be more skillful.

    The generosity is not like a discipline exactly but rather a joyful practice. I wouldn't force it you might not be ready for giving all your possessions to enemies for heaven sakes. At this stage you are accumulating what you need to later practice for ALL BEINGS benefit. So while I say not yet to giving all your possessions I would recommend to read a little and reflect/meditate on how you can be of benefit to your enemies (or why).
  • pegembarapegembara Veteran
    edited June 2010
    It is easy to be compassionate towards those we favor. And while I do not wish harm on others - even those I do not like - i have a very difficult time even thinking of offering all my possessions, compassion, happiness and such to those i dislike. My knee jerk reaction is HELL NO, why would I do that when i don't like them?!?!


    As you progress along the path your greed and aversion decrease. But you don't get to have no aversion or hatred until you are fairly advanced.
    The fetters (samyojana) are those things which bind one to the rounds of rebirth. They are: 1. craving for sense pleasures (kamaraga); 2. anger (patigha), 3. pride or conceit (mana), 4. wrong view (ditthi) 5. doubt or wavering (vicikiccha), 6. the belief that there are other paths and practices that can lead to happiness and liberation besides the Eightfold Noble Path (silabbataparamasa), 7. craving for rebirth in the sensuous, råpa or aråpa worlds (bhavaraga), 8. envy or jealousy (issa), 9. meanness or stinginess (macchariya), 10. ignorance of the Four Noble Truths (avijja).
    These fetters arise due to unwise attention which regards the sense bases as permanent, satisfactory and as Self or belonging to a Self. They are discarded temporarily by wise attention to the impermanent, unsatisfactory, and soulless characteristics of the sense bases. They are totally discarded by the four Noble Paths (i.e ditthi, vicikiccha, silabbataparamasa, issa, and macchariya by sotapatti magga; kamaraga and patigha by anagami magga; and the remaining fetters by arahatta magga).

    http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/mahasati19.htm
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