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Letting go to get.

edited June 2010 in Buddhism Basics
I'm new to this forum so please forgive me if I placed these questions in an improper thread. They are pressing on my mind' so here it go's

Wanting abundance in my life has become my "carrot on the stick" for most of my adult life. I know that "wanting" keeps me in perpetual wanting and that I should just let go, but in my mind, letting go equates to giving up. So should I sit and meditate as I am evicted from my home? Should my mantra be, "your will God not mine" every time something go's wrong in my life? All I know is my "wanting" has become my jail cell where I get my three meals a day so that I don't starve and a small bed and toilet so that I can sleep and piss my life away. But what's most agonizing about my jail cell is the small window that shows a better life just out of reach.

Don't get me wrong I am thankful that by the Grace of God I have a car, house, job and people who love me, but I squander these blessings away everyday worrying about how I'm going to make ends meet this month even though I somehow manage every month and year. I read somewhere that in Buddhism the meaning of life is suffering and that Jesus said we must bear the cross, so should I just accept my lot in life and bear and grin? Should I just live off the scraps given by life and be thankful because so many are given less? Sorry for shoulding all over myself but I know that I have the God given power to manifest abundance in my life but how in the world do I do it without "wanting it" while the bill collectors are knocking on my door?

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  • edited June 2010
    If you can define "abundance" a little better in terms of what it means for you, then that would be a start. Your current wants for basic needs appear reasonable to me. In Buddhism, the first thing to avoid is hurting other people in one's desire for gain. The second thing to avoid is getting too psychologically caught up in the having of "abundance".

    But there's no doubt a big difference between "enough" and "abundance".
  • edited June 2010
    Abundance for me means being able to take my eyes off of myself so that I can focus on others and be a conduit for blessing.
  • FoibleFullFoibleFull Canada Veteran
    edited June 2010
    4nohype wrote: »
    But what's most agonizing about my jail cell is the small window that shows a better life just out of reach.

    My teacher tells us that the thought that others have it better than us is an illusion. They too, suffer. There IS no better life ... others' lives only look better from the outside. Sometimes it is hard to believe this is true, but if you think about the three types of suffering you will see that NO ONE is exempt.

    And you ARE incredibly fortunate ... you didn't specifically say, but I'm assuming you have enough to eat every day, are in good health and free from physical pain. You don't sleep in a bag with a drawstring to keep the bugs off your body. You don't worry about getting shot by snipers when you go to the well to get your daily water ... or those you love getting shot. AND you have a house, a car, and ... most importantly ... people who love you. How fortunate.
  • edited June 2010
    Sounds good to me. Maybe the apparent "self-denial" theme you were talking about is more applicable to monastics. That's a whole other thing.

    But if you're engaged in "right livelihood", there should be nothing wrong with having a life that you simply enjoy, especially if you're focused on helping others after you take appropriate care of yourself. Remember- if you don't take appropriate care of yourself, then you aren't as available to help others.

    Being a conduit for blessing sounds like right livelihood to me.
  • aMattaMatt Veteran
    edited June 2010
    4nohype,

    I think I hear what you're asking, with these notions of abundance and giving up on the vision outside the window. There are a couple of practical areas of examination I think might help.

    The first is the notion that before you can help others, you must help yourself. This isn't greed, this is a wise understanding that before you can actually be of service, you have to tend to your own self, because then you can be open and loving enough to help others from a place of stability. The metaphor here that is common is the masks on an airplane. You know how they always tell people to put their own mask on before helping others? This is because the connection you make to your own mask protects you from falling to the same ills as others. Does that make sense?

    The next idea that might help is to clarify to yourself what it is you're looking for. Right now it sounds like you have a glimpse into the kind of life that you wish you could live, with the kind of attitudes and so forth that are more genuine to your heart than you are at the present. You might call it submitting yourself to be in God's service? This is great, and a noble and sensible thing to do. Working to become more compassionate is a worthy goal.

    As with other big goals, it is good to write them out, so you can see where you are and where you would like to be. Don't be too critical, just honest with who you are and what you want to work on. Then write it out. As you reflect on what you've written, you might see ways to improve, that are small steps. These small steps are all you will ever take, so instead of looking for a big change, just take small steps.

    Try to think of ways to be more kind to your family... and do one or two of them. Try to see where you get angry, and work to confront one of those moments a day. Little things. Steady strokes toward the other shore will get you there. You just have to break it down and keep at it. Change isn't usually like a lightning bolt, its like the eroding of a mountain. Your persistence to see that vision of yourself realized can fuel you.

    With warmth,

    Matt
  • edited June 2010
    By no means do I consider myself a saint. It is by my acts of gluttony that I perpetuate this state of wanting, by buying things I know I can't afford. I'm ashamed that while I find it a must to purchase an exercise machine to work off the excess food that I gorge myself with, others in this world have nothing to eat today. I guess I bought into what the TV and radio says I should have. I just don't know any other way to live. I can't imagine as FoibleFull posted… a life where you don't worry about getting shot by snipers when you go to the well. So I'm plagued with guilt for squandering what I've been given and wanting more.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Keep watching your mind and see what it is doing.. You can see clearly that this is dukkha. Reach out to the teachings to find a path to find a vaster vision in life. I recomend Trungpa Rinpoche's books.
  • edited June 2010
    Please excuse my ignorance of dukkha but what can be more vast than the death of self for the sake of others? Will the Trungpa Rinpoche's books help with this?
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited June 2010
    The meaning of life in Buddhism (as I understand it) isn't suffering...the meaning of life is the ENDING of suffering. Or phrased slightly differently, the meaning of life is happiness! So stay positive friend, there is hope, there is a way out of suffering and a way to happiness. It's called the Noble Eightfold Path.
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Also, here is a video talk on Depression which you might find helpful.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited June 2010
    birth and death are no big deal :) Thats my example of a vaster vision, oh I am failure to teach but still I think you would like his teaching at this time in your life. Maybe I can find something..

    Trungpa Rinpoche:
    Boredom is important in meditation practice; it increases the psychological sophistication of the practitioners. They begin to appreciate the boredom and they develop their sophistication until the boredom begins to become cool boredom, like a mountain river. It flows and flows and flows, methodically and repetitiously, but it is very cooling very refreshing. Mountains never get tired of being mountains, and waterfalls never get tired of being waterfalls. Because of their pateince we begin to appreciate them. There is something in that. If we are to save ourselves from spiritual materialism and from buddhadharma with credentials, or dogma, if we are to become the dharma without credentials, the introduction of boredome and reptitiousness is extremely important.
  • edited June 2010
    It is embracing life by understanding your true place in it. A brand new world opens up, and anything you do when you have this 'right view' of reality is done wholly, fully, completely. There's no more half-ass shuffle to figure out life, and that allows you instead to actually live.
  • edited June 2010
    Thank you for all the replies and especially the depression video, everyone should watch it. I just have one more question.

    I just read that the Buddhist do not believe in a deity so I hope my illustration is not too confusing or inappropriate.

    A foolish man decides to end his life because he's believes that when he dies a mansion will be given to him and a hundred virgins will tend to his every whim. So he puts a rope around his neck but by the grace of God the rope breaks. So he then decides to step in front of a moving truck, but by the grace of God the driver hits the breaks sparing his life once again. Anyway, you see where I'm going with this. Try as he might, his foolish efforts to take his life are frustrated by God's desire for a greater purpose in his life. Sometimes I look back at what I wanted and thank God for not giving it to me because what I got was so much better so why do I insist on an outcome instead of letting life flow or just have faith things will work out for the greater good? Is there something in Buddhism to account for this flow and my resistance to it? I believe this is what lies at the heart of my abundance issue.
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited June 2010
    Sometimes I look back at what I wanted and thank God for not giving it to me because what I got was so much better so why do I insist on an outcome instead of letting life flow or just have faith things will work out for the greater good? Is there something in Buddhism to account for this flow and my resistance to it?

    Personally, I believe that kamma (intentional actions and their results) is a natural law. If we act with wholesome intentions by body, speech or mind then it will be for our own benefit and for the benefit of others. If we act with unwholesome intentions then the results will also be unwholesome. I don't believe in God, but I do believe that we reap what we sow and I know that this belief is shared in Christianity too.

    Misfortune will come our way from time to time whether it is God testing us or whether it is the result of some unwholesome kamma we generated in the past or whether "shit just happens" is not as important as the way we respond to what we are experiencing. Kamma, as I understand it, is a continually evolving dynamic process. But the Buddha said that not many people can see exactly how kamma operates, so for me it is a matter of faith.

    Whether or not we reap what we sow due to a God or due to some impersonal natural law really doesn't seem that important to me, what is more important is applying this principle in how we interact with ourselves and others. Forget the past. Are we acting in a wholesome way, now, in this moment? Or are we acting in an unwholesome way, now, in this moment? Are we creating greater peace of mind for ourselves and others or are we causing more restlessness, disharmony and frustration? This is one of the most important parts of both Buddhist and Christian practice, in my opinion.
  • edited June 2010
    4nohype wrote: »
    Thank you for all the replies and especially the depression video, everyone should watch it. I just have one more question.

    I just read that the Buddhist do not believe in a deity so I hope my illustration is not too confusing or inappropriate.

    A foolish man decides to end his life because he's believes that when he dies a mansion will be given to him and a hundred virgins will tend to his every whim. So he puts a rope around his neck but by the grace of God the rope breaks. So he then decides to step in front of a moving truck, but by the grace of God the driver hits the breaks sparing his life once again. Anyway, you see where I'm going with this. Try as he might, his foolish efforts to take his life are frustrated by God's desire for a greater purpose in his life. Sometimes I look back at what I wanted and thank God for not giving it to me because what I got was so much better so why do I insist on an outcome instead of letting life flow or just have faith things will work out for the greater good? Is there something in Buddhism to account for this flow and my resistance to it? I believe this is what lies at the heart of my abundance issue.

    Basically is the past and present karmic attachment of I, physically, mentally and all existence. It will even post a hindrance in rebirth as heavenly beings. Psychologically, your thankful towards God helps you to achieve some solace in your daily encounters, in your Grace of God love.
    Om Mani Padme Hum:)
  • edited June 2010
    If I reaped what I sowed I would be in a awful heap of trouble. I would rather believe in "Grace". I'm still ingesting the Depression video. It was excellent.
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited June 2010
    If you are like most of us you've done some bad kamma but you've also done some good kamma. But we tend to focus on the "two bad bricks".
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