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Buddhist and Christian?

edited July 2010 in Buddhism Basics
Do you think that someone can be a buddhist and a christian? Believe in God and practice/believe in Buddhism? My wife is a christian and I study and want to become a buddhist. I consider myself a buddhist, but I do believe that there is a god just that he isnt for me.

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  • edited July 2010
    His Holiness the Dalai Lama in Dialogue with Christian Monastics
    A Model for Mutual Enrichment


    http://www.monasticdialog.com/a.php?id=808

    The Christian Bendictine monk Thomas Merton studied Buddhism in Vietnam (long after the war).

    It's just not a real problem.
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited July 2010
    Personally I don't think they are compatible. Both religions have some common ground, such as encouraging morality and good will, but ultimately their goals are different. Christians (generally speaking) aim to be reborn in a heavenly realm whereas Buddhists (generally speaking) aim (or at least hold this aim in high regard, even if a particular Buddhist doesn't strive for this goal) to get off the wheel of Samsara altogether (i.e. they don't seek rebirth in any realm, heavenly or otherwise).

    Also, the way by which we are to acheive these goals are different. Some Christians believe that conduct is the basis for which they will go to heaven or not (which is compatible with Buddhism, i.e. law of kamma). Other Christians believe that conduct is irrelevant, so long as they sincerely repent their sins and accept Jesus as the Son of God then they are destined for heaven. Buddhists believe that by practicing the Noble Eightfold Path you can make an end to suffering.

    Although these religions are incompatible on an individual level it is still possible to peacefully co-exist with followers of other religions on a societal level.

    Sorry for being so long-winded, I hope it makes sense.
  • edited July 2010
    What is the wheel of Samsara? Sorry Ive read a little here and there about buddhism but its hard for me to retain the info sometimes unless Im actually taught by someone. I thought that Buddhist were reincarnated? And how there karma was when they were alive dictates how they will live there next life?
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited July 2010
    Seemingly endless reincarnation/rebirth = Samsara. Some practicing Buddhists emphatically deny rebirth altogether. I am not an authority on the matter by any means, so don't take my word for anything. Here is a good guide for finding what is good and what is true: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/soma/wheel008.html
  • edited July 2010
    Do practicing buddhist need a teacher? Do i need a authored teacher? Or could I learn by myself/off of this forum? I mean I want to go to a temple and learn that way, but Ive never been and I havent had all the time in the world to go. I dont even know what happens at a temple...
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited July 2010
    There have recently been a couple of discussions about this topic (whether a teacher is needed or not) on this website:

    http://newbuddhist.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6425

    http://newbuddhist.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6435

    What happens at a temple is different depending on each temple. As long as you are respectful it should be a positive experience. You can always ask someone about ettiquette at the actual temple you intend to visit.
  • edited July 2010
    what is going to a temple like? ive been to church but i dont think its the same...
    i dont mean to bother everyone/you guys with all these questions but i want to learn.
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited July 2010
    Depends on the temple and the people. The people at the temple I go to are very friendly so the experience is always a good one. Plus you don't "have to" go, if you don't feel like going you don't go. What you get out of it is up to you.
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited July 2010
    smittydo wrote: »
    i dont mean to bother everyone/you guys with all these questions but i want to learn.

    No problem, ask anything.
  • edited July 2010
    what happens at the temples? is it like church? does a monk teach/preach to everyone?
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited July 2010
    Yep, there is a kind of preaching. This is what the talks are like at my temple: http://www.youtube.com/user/BuddhistSocietyWA

    What it is like at other temples, I don't know.
  • edited July 2010
    IMO, in general, Christians hold on a strong principle of God similar to father and son relationship. Buddhists are based on the principle of "teacher" and students relationship where students would eventually become "teacher" of unsurpassed benevolence and wisdom. I feel that a good father would dearly encourage his son to learn from good teacher to acquire true love, benevolence and wisdom from within. So, there is no discrimination and attachment on the part of Buddhism.
    Hope that this explanation would help you explore buddhism fearlessly and also make you love your wife even more dearly :)
    Om Mani Padme Hum
  • skullchinskullchin Veteran
    edited July 2010
    smittydo, if you want to learn about Buddhism you could read The Heart of the Buddha's Teaching by Thich Nhat Hanh or check out http://www.buddhanet.net/

    Thmoas Merton, mentioned in the article above, is also very good if you want to learn about the Christian contemplative practice or "contemplative prayer". Another Trappist monk, Thomas Keating, taught a method of learning contemplative prayer in his book _Open Mind Open Heart_.

    My wife is Christian, I go to church and have lots of Christian friends. I think a lot more like a Buddhist however. There is enough overlap between Buddhism and Christianity to make our situations work. I encourage you to learn as much about Buddhism as you can, it has turned out very well for me :)
  • edited July 2010
    In my most current experience the short answer to this question in "no".

    The long answer is here: I was a practicing Buddhist and the teachings helped me out until I moved. I met someone and they invited me to a church. I started to practice a Christian path but after about two months and looking into its teaching carefully I found that I wanted to continue on a Buddhist path.

    During my time as a Christian I was told numerous times that Jesus said the only path is his path. There are many other paths and they are wide but the only path, His path, is narrow and only those how follow Him can follow this path. According to Christianity you cannot be both because you are not following God's intended path.
  • edited July 2010
    As much as I would like to answer "No.", I know many regard Buddhism as philosophy more than a religion. Buddhism is a way of life. In this current world and society, even religions have become a choice. If believing in both religions helps you handle the downs in life, by all means, go ahead.

    Read up more on Buddhism before making your decision. Do bear in mind that not all Christians (nor Buddhists, I guess) are that open-minded when it comes to religion. However, if you are sure of your decision, don't mind them that much.

    With metta.
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited July 2010
    smittydo wrote: »
    Do you think that someone can be a buddhist and a christian? Believe in God and practice/believe in Buddhism? My wife is a christian and I study and want to become a buddhist. I consider myself a buddhist, but I do believe that there is a god just that he isnt for me.


    Smittydo,

    I'm not sure if one can be a Buddhist and a Christian. I have argued that one can but am not so sure now.

    What I am sure of is that there is a mindset and a way of life which I term both "Christian" and "Buddhist". This is what I follow in my own life.

    It is not some soft option or simple 'Pick'n'Mix': it requires a lot of focus, each moment of the day. The rewards, however, have been worth it.


  • edited July 2010
    I would just add that the "types" of Buddhism you would encounter are perhaps more than you might expect. This will require a lot of exploring on your part. There are not as many "types" of Buddhism as there are "churches" (Catholic, Episcopal, Evangelical, Baptist, etc.) in Christianity, but I think there's more variability in Buddhism than one first expects. You would do well to explore that aspect.
  • edited July 2010
    Well my grandma is thai. I havent actually studied just one type of buddhism ive just read about buddhism in general.
  • StaticToyboxStaticToybox Veteran
    edited July 2010
    Personally I feel that the compatibility or incompatibility of Buddhism and Christianity are solely for the individual to decide. Seek for yourself. If you come to the conclusion that your Buddhism can co-exist with your Christianity then they are certainly compatible. I am a Buddhist but I also hold (basically Gnostic) Christian beliefs. For me there is no conflict between the two. In fact they inform and complement each other.
  • edited July 2010
    Takeahnase wrote: »
    Personally I feel that the compatibility or incompatibility of Buddhism and Christianity are solely for the individual to decide. Seek for yourself. If you come to the conclusion that your Buddhism can co-exist with your Christianity then they are certainly compatible. I am a Buddhist but I also hold (basically Gnostic) Christian beliefs. For me there is no conflict between the two. In fact they inform and complement each other.

    I agree with you, I think it depends on the person in question, for some people Buddhism and Christianity really compliment each other, for others, maybe they should only stick with one tradition, etc. It doesn't matter either way, as long as you're following what you want to do, and you can see positive results.

    BTW, I'm not Christian, but, I do happen to think there is a lot of overlap between certain Christian and Buddhist beliefs, there are, of course, a lot of differences too, but, there are definitely similarities.

    At their heart, both have Compassion or Love at the centre of their Paths (although, certain institutions have strayed far from that centre).

    Hope this helps :).

    David.
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    edited July 2010
    i think relationships can at times be difficult between christians and buddhists. it depends on the type of christian she is. some may fear for your soul and vow to "save" you whereas others might just agree to disagree and acknowledge the truth in buddhism as well. i have met both.

    i am in no way saying that i think you should not aspire to be a buddhist, just giving a reality. my girlfriend is a christian and i am a buddhist, so i understand this. i am very passionate about buddhism and my studies and although it sometimes piques her interest, she is mostly uninterested and sometimes argues with me good-naturedly. i consider myself lucky but i know it would be much easier if we were just of like mind. :) but then again... the best way to learn about something is to be forced to explain it.
  • edited July 2010
    There is a fundamental disconnect with the belief that there is an individual God and an individual soul and the realization of unity that is Buddhism.
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited July 2010
    birdshine wrote: »
    There is a fundamental disconnect with the belief that there is an individual God and an individual soul and the realization of unity that is Buddhism.


    For me, there is a "fundamental disconnect" between dogmatic statements about what is only experienced personally and the liberation from dukkha which is all that the Buddha promised.


  • edited July 2010
    My personal view is that the emergence of Christianity was a merging of Jewish beliefs about the God of the desert with some of the earlier teachings and influences of Buddhism from India.

    Some people think that Buddhism and Christianity are compatible, but my view is that one can't really be a serious Buddhist practitioner and be a practising Christian all at the same time.

    One can appreciate any teachings about loving kindness and compassion though, of course.



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  • edited July 2010
    and also... many religions teach "Come and believe" but Buddhism teaches "Come and see for yourself" ... or something like that.
  • edited July 2010
    sukhita wrote: »
    and also... many religions teach "Come and believe" but Buddhism teaches "Come and see for yourself" ... or something like that.


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  • edited July 2010
    Hi Phanleson,

    Thank you... and welcome to the forum. :)
  • edited July 2010


    For me, there is a "fundamental disconnect" between dogmatic statements about what is only experienced personally and the liberation from dukkha which is all that the Buddha promised.


    Cessation of dukkha comes from releasing the ego. Christianity tells you that you are an ego, and individual human with an individual soul. These are incompatible.
  • edited July 2010
    Cessation of dukkha comes from releasing the ego. Christianity tells you that you are an ego, and individual human with an individual soul. These are incompatible.

    Cessation comes from a deep realization of no ego, just as that which Christ was advocating "blessed" which means makarious "is he that is pour of spirit". This means ego abandonment in a way like bhakti. buddhism goes another route which is jjana sp* Buddha shakamuni wasn't against braminism but was against dogmatic vedantic views. He was from indian culture says alan watts. He didn't make a new religion but a refutation of the old one. After all if the self is in fact existent then there is nothing that could be done to alter or modify its state, and if its not existent there is nothing words can do to create it.
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited July 2010
    birdshine wrote: »
    Cessation of dukkha comes from releasing the ego. Christianity tells you that you are an ego, and individual human with an individual soul. These are incompatible.


    If you are genuinely interested, you might like to look at the Christian notions of abandoning self and the kenosis.
  • mugzymugzy Veteran
    edited July 2010
    I'd highly recommend that you read Living Buddha, Living Christ by Thich Nhat Hanh.

    I am neither "officially" Buddhist nor Christian, but I consider both Buddha and Jesus to be powerful teachers and my spiritual ancestors. I was raised very strictly Christian and never felt that I was truly connected with the religion as a whole. After I spent many years deeply invested in Buddhist studies, I now have a very strong connection to Buddhism and the symbolism of Buddha (and other spiritual figures, such as Chenrezig, Vajrasattva, Namgyalma, etc).

    The Buddha was a real person, Siddhartha Gautama, who gave teachings and presented different methods for reaching enlightenment. Jesus of Nazareth was a real person (though some may argue differently) who gave teachings and presented the path to God through different means. Both had limitless compassion for sentient beings, and both preached a message of peace and kindness. I personally feel that during the evolution of Christianity the true message of Jesus was warped and corrupted.
  • shanyinshanyin Novice Yogin Sault Ontario Veteran
    edited July 2010
    My advice... be a Christian and a Buddhist until you FIND something that's not working. If you don't, there you go.
  • shanyinshanyin Novice Yogin Sault Ontario Veteran
    edited July 2010
    phanleson wrote: »
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    Such a widely used quote for good reason.
  • DairyLamaDairyLama Veteran Veteran
    edited July 2010

    For me, there is a "fundamental disconnect" between dogmatic statements about what is only experienced personally and the liberation from dukkha which is all that the Buddha promised.


    Although liberation from dukkha requires cutting through the delusions of eternal and independent existence, and abandoning the notion of a "soul".

    P
  • shanyinshanyin Novice Yogin Sault Ontario Veteran
    edited July 2010
    Here is a problem I have found that sort of conflicts between the two:

    "No one saves us but ourselves, no one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path but Buddhas clearly show the way." Buddha
    How to Become a Christian

    1. You must believe that you are a sinner, and you cannot save yourself.

    http://www.freehousechurchresources.com/becomechristian.php

    But honestly I've never read anything in the bible that says 'you cannot save yourself and God or Jesus or w/e can only save you'.

    It's just the way it's been being taught.

    But hey I don't know much about Christianity.
  • edited July 2010
    From my understanding as a Chinese buddhist studying Buddha teachings, I think there are some cultural difference in the way we view Buddhism. From what we understand, Buddhism (佛教) means the teaching of Buddha, and these teachings enter China and translated by teams of hundreds of translators funded by the emperors over hundred of years. The Buddha teaching is about everything and anything we can perceived with our humanly senses. It somehow became a "religion" after it spread to Japan and to the west several hundred years ago.

    From my perspective, I don't see any conflict between Buddhism and Christianity, it is like MBA and Christianity, or high school and Christianity, comparing a school of teaching with a "Religion".

    sorry about my English if it is not very clear.
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