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what happens after enlightenment
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- you reincarnate on a physical world over and over.
- after so many reincarnations you finally learn all your lessons, you graduate, you become enlightened. You are liberated from desire and suffering and you spend the rest of your life in bliss.
- after your physical vehicle dies you merge with the universal energy and God.
- from now on you are not bound to a karmic conditioning. No need to manifest in a physical form anymore.
But learning and evolving cannot stop here, can it?
Maybe this is what happens.. ?
- you keep learning and evolving in the spiritual plane and occasionally you 'choose' to reincarnate on earth or any other physical world system to help others in their journey. It will NOT be another "conditioned" existence; instead, you are free.
anybody with first hand experience here that can confirm this? by first hand I mean any information from a guide while obe or in deep meditation. Buddha or Jesus never mentioned what happens after we graduate. Or maybe we don't need to know that yet.
- after so many reincarnations you finally learn all your lessons, you graduate, you become enlightened. You are liberated from desire and suffering and you spend the rest of your life in bliss.
- after your physical vehicle dies you merge with the universal energy and God.
- from now on you are not bound to a karmic conditioning. No need to manifest in a physical form anymore.
But learning and evolving cannot stop here, can it?
Maybe this is what happens.. ?
- you keep learning and evolving in the spiritual plane and occasionally you 'choose' to reincarnate on earth or any other physical world system to help others in their journey. It will NOT be another "conditioned" existence; instead, you are free.
anybody with first hand experience here that can confirm this? by first hand I mean any information from a guide while obe or in deep meditation. Buddha or Jesus never mentioned what happens after we graduate. Or maybe we don't need to know that yet.
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you didn't answer my question
again.. you didn't answer my question either. thanks anyway.
"Uhhh..." I believe is the correct answer.
With warmth,
Matt
Anyway, there are different levels enlightenment. Once you get to a certain level, your rebirth is no longer determined by your karma and you can consciously choose where to be reborn. Within limits, of course, you still need physical parents. That's where the Tibetan Buddhist concept of tulkus comes from.
exactly... I mean this is a Buddhism forum and we still have to debate if reincarnation is real or not?
I mean.. what?
Look.. I know conceptualization is not the best way to address spirituality.. I knowww.. but I also know this is the best way to put in words as to what happens when you've learned all your lessons and you don't have to reincarnate anymore. I understand it can never be totally accurate but all I want to know is which one is closest to the truth.
please... anyone?
As far as the reincarnation thing, I think when an enlightened person dies, they die like everyone else. Their existence ends. You can't have existence without non-existence. If a mug of coffee drops and breaks, whats left on the floor is still coffee, but it definitely isn't 'existing' in the same form is was when it was still in the cup.
Short version: I have no idea
It's a forum for beginners.
"Buddhism for Beginners No question is too basic here!"
Interesting take, Marmalde!
To answer the original question,
After enlightenment, You become enlightened!
there is no doubt about that.. that's not what I asked either. but thanks
concerns? ..
Knowing the Truth... what other motivation could there ever be
fantasy? ok, I am seriously thinking I got into the wrong forum
But...You can probably find a sutra or commentary somewhere that talks about this kind of senario.
The wisdom and compassion are the unconditioned buddha nature. The space of awareness. The vajra formed by the gentle supporting solid "masculine" compassion and the intelligent "feminine" prajna wisdom that can give life and death that cuts through the clouds.
The wisdom and compassion of a buddha manifesting in samsara are the same wisdom and compassion. Which are uncovered. Without begininning middle or end.
The body is just a dream. It melts and blends with all the other spaces. (as the coffee cup becomes not a coffee cup).
This true outlook on life should allow me to immensely reduce suffering. maybe even negate it!
Mtns
According to the teaching, becoming and rebirth stop altogether upon enlightenment. So, not only does reincarnation end, but there isn't even nonphysical becoming in the other spheres of existence; not in the fine-material, nor in the immaterial sphere. Rebirth in the latter spheres can occur before full enlightenment, however. At least this is what the suttas say.
Personally, I can only speculate. I think that progressive rebirth in different physical world systems may be possible, but in the short-term, say several hundred thousand years or so, karmic conditioning is likely to bind one to a single world. As I said... just speculation.
Cheers, Thomas
After Enlightenment, I feel as though I will have no thoughts. Which will of course be wonderful. I think.
I soooooo want to know what you're talking about. Sincerely... I'm always trying to learn, mabye you could help me out with a PM if you don't wanna take this thead off topic.
Three-lives versus this-life. (They are not mutually exclusive, of course.)
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But really enjoying it.;)
P
A "fully" enlightened being, say an Arahant, will not be reborn in samsara. Such being's death is identified as Parinibbana which simply means "fully passed away" or "fully blown out", suggesting that an Arahant has no re-existence after death. Logically nothing else will come after it - because if something does come after it, it will then be yet another "conditioned" existence. What happens to a Buddha or an Arahant after death (Parinibbana)? This falls under the category of "unanswered questions".
As always, take everything I say with caution!
They are both equally far from the truth, about (100,000 x 1,000,000,000) miles each.
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most honest comment by far
unimportant whatsoever. how could that knowledge would ever help you in your spiritual path? anyway here is the answer:
there is no beginning, there is no end, there is only change
You're never going to have to be worried about being enlightened if you continue to be sarcastic to people that are just trying to be helpful.
I'm never going to have to be worried about being enlightened if I keep trying to be clever and correcting others.
you are right my brother.. comment deleted
You're right - usually I'm better at that!
First we have to consider all life to be one. Everything, that exists to be one.
No individual being (being a part of the oneness, still) is born enlightened, so when 'your' physical existence in this world ends, 'you' can't be born again, cause 'you' already reached enlightenment.
I think of enlightenment as a journey and not as a goal. it's like something that's not there but which I imagine is.
Hope that helps
yesssssss, exactly!.... put it together.... .... ...... ??? do you get it???
okay, enough jokes
i am curious, why are you asking and what do you expect to get out of it? i personally believe exactly what you said in your first post, "maybe we don't need to know that yet."
and besides...
"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."
-The Buddha
How can learning and evolving continue when there is no ignorance and no extinction of it? In order for learning to take place, there must be something to learn first yes? But if there is no ignorance, what is there that is left to learn?
How can learning and evolving continue when there is no form, no feelings, no perceptions, no impulses, and no consciousness? How can learning and evolving continue when there is no you, no spiritual planes, no reincarnation, no earth, no physical world systems, no others, no journey, no conditioning, no existence and no freedom?
How can one enter or exit a spiritual plane or be reincarnated when a true Buddha (Enlightened being) is never coming from anywhere or going anywhere?
So are your questions. Unimportant whatsoever. Reincarnation/rebirth is not relevant to the realization of not-self.
Enlightenment is here and now Dhamma.
After enlightenment you live the rest of your life without mental suffering caused due to clinging and attachment to self and things belonging to self. And then you die. Why is the question "where will I go next" be important to a person who has abolished all views on self?