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Space Program

comicallyinsanecomicallyinsane Veteran
edited October 2005 in General Banter
I was wondering what everyone thinks of the space program. Should we keep heading toward the stars or not?

Comments

  • edited September 2005
    Good question,

    My concern is that it is very expensive and so far has failed to really live up to the hype. We appear to know so little about our own planet, particularly what lies beneath our Oceans and Seas. The idea that someday we may find another Planet that We humans can inhabit seems a little pointless.....since we are doing our very best to destroy the one We already inhabit.

    Could the Billions of dollars spent by NASA be used for other more earthbound priorities...well the simple answer is YES....maybe one day, it will all be worth it???

    Who has not at one time or another wanted to "Boldly go where no one has gone before"!!
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited September 2005
    My vote is an unconditional "Yes".
  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    edited September 2005
    I'm with simon. For too many reasons (more than I feel like typing right now). Our only enemy is ignorance, and our sword is that of wisdom. We need to quash our ignorance of the realm we inhabit. We are very ignorant about space and the universe!
  • edited September 2005
    Well, I appear to have mastered the "cloaking" device as used by the Klingons and the Romulans.....nothing new in that eh? :hiding:
  • comicallyinsanecomicallyinsane Veteran
    edited September 2005
    Abraham wrote:
    Good question,

    My concern is that it is very expensive and so far has failed to really live up to the hype. We appear to know so little about our own planet, particularly what lies beneath our Oceans and Seas. The idea that someday we may find another Planet that We humans can inhabit seems a little pointless.....since we are doing our very best to destroy the one We already inhabit.

    Could the Billions of dollars spent by NASA be used for other more earthbound priorities...well the simple answer is YES....maybe one day, it will all be worth it???

    Who has not at one time or another wanted to "Boldly go where no one has gone before"!!



    Well since we as humans are destroying this planet maybe we should all just commit suicide right now and be done with it. Why bother even trying if we are just killers of the planet?

    It's arguments like this one that make me wonder how we are ever going to progress. Focus on the negative and get negative. Focus on the positive and get positive.
  • JasonJason God Emperor Arrakis Moderator
    edited September 2005
    "Focus on the negative and get negative. Focus on the positive and get positive."

    Focus on neither an get Release.

    :)
  • edited September 2005
    Well since we as humans are destroying this planet maybe we should all just commit suicide right now and be done with it. Why bother even trying if we are just killers of the planet?

    It's arguments like this one that make me wonder how we are ever going to progress. Focus on the negative and get negative. Focus on the positive and get positive.

    Comic,

    May not have made myself clear, I was giving a broad answer, specifically I believe wholeheartedly in Space exploration.......hopefully getting a Telescope for Christmas....always been fascinated......will try not to engage brain in Warp 9 next time before answering post!
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited September 2005
    Abraham wrote:
    Good question,

    My concern is that it is very expensive and so far has failed to really live up to the hype. We appear to know so little about our own planet, particularly what lies beneath our Oceans and Seas. The idea that someday we may find another Planet that We humans can inhabit seems a little pointless.....since we are doing our very best to destroy the one We already inhabit.

    Could the Billions of dollars spent by NASA be used for other more earthbound priorities...well the simple answer is YES....maybe one day, it will all be worth it???

    Who has not at one time or another wanted to "Boldly go where no one has gone before"!!

    You are quite right about the cost, Nick, but I think you underestimate the value and benefits.

    It has been noted somewhere that we are the beneficiaries of technological and biological advances from the struggle to get into space, whereas, hitherto, such advances have always been as a result only of wars.

    What is more, we would not be having this exchange had we not established world-wide communications networks.

    You are quite right that the resources used to enable space exploration could be used elsewhere. It is a question of priorities which must be considered within the bigger picture of desired outcome. If the space budget were the only or the worst diversion of resources, I would say that it should wait. But that is far from the case. Money is spent on wars when people starve. Government build unnecessary monuments while hospitals and schools crumble.

    It is my belief that space exploration has already proved beneficial and should be expanded.
  • edited September 2005
    I agree Simon, I was just playing "Devils Advocate" a little I guess...still think its worth spending a bit more on underwater exploration. I would like to see a WORLDWIDE space programme!
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited September 2005
    I agree entirely, Abe. In fact I believe that understanding our world, our history and our place in both are far and away the most important human undertakings. This may be by science or by art, in all their many manifestations.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited September 2005
    What hacks me off about all these space programs is that we're leaving bits of machinery all over the place... so in effect, we're already polluting far-flung planets even before establishing whether we can live on them or not! It's arrogance, in a way.... and a colossal waste of money. How much did it cost to put those things together? And then to just abandon them there. Maybe I'm being naive and petty, but it does make me seethe, this cavalier attitude....We're quietly screwing up, polluting, desecrating and decimating this planet - and now extending our dominance elsewhere.... Am I the only one to think this is sheer lunacy?
  • comicallyinsanecomicallyinsane Veteran
    edited September 2005
    I'm sure you are not the only one to think this but I am sure the people who designed those abandoned craft thought of this, too. Maybe they didn't care. Maybe they did. Just think. If we expanded the space program we could all go and pick up that stuff we left behind.Of course it's only a few things out there. A lot of people keep saying it's a waste of money but no reasons are given. Sounds to me that that you are just very angry at humans for leaving some junk on some uninhabited planets in the hopes of expanding our knowledge. It's just like traveling on foot by yourself in a land you have never been to before. Would you know if you are going to hurt anything or anyone along the way? What if you dropped some of your gear into a river accidentally and it causes someone in a village down the river harm. My point is that sometimes we don't always see the road ahead and sometimes our best intentions cause harm. Of course a desolate planet is hard to harm isn't it?
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited September 2005
    Abraham wrote:
    Good question,

    My concern is that it is very expensive and so far has failed to really live up to the hype. We appear to know so little about our own planet, particularly what lies beneath our Oceans and Seas. The idea that someday we may find another Planet that We humans can inhabit seems a little pointless.....since we are doing our very best to destroy the one We already inhabit.

    That's funny, Abe.

    I was thinking when I read this that I really had no thought for or against the Space Program.

    But, it does seem kind of odd that we have people starving all over the world, people with no homes, no insurance, polluted water systems, polluted earth - and yet we're chasing stars that will do nothing to ease the suffering that currently exists on this planet.

    Unless we're just looking for a new place to dump our garbage or unwanted inhabitants...

    -bf
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited September 2005
    Maybe we'll even find Tribbles!

    Or maybe one of those big things that looked like a giant turd that floats through space eating planets?

    Damnit, Jim! I'm a doctor - not a proctologist!

    -bf
  • comicallyinsanecomicallyinsane Veteran
    edited October 2005
    That's a very Christian answer there BF.
  • edited October 2005
    Found this little piece of info


    British ban on sending people into space must end, say experts


    · Benefits far outweigh the costs, panel concludes
    · Need to invest £150m a year for next 20 years

    Alok Jha, science correspondent
    Wednesday October 19, 2005
    The Guardian

    Britain must overturn its decades-old policy of not sending people into space by joining international manned missions to the moon and Mars as the scientific benefits far outweigh the costs, according to a Royal Astronomical Society report.

    In December last year the society commissioned three leading physicists to examine whether there was a scientific justification for human space flight, an activity that has traditionally been out of reach for UK scientists because of the policies of successive governments.

    "We think it's now very timely for the UK government to re-evaluate its longstanding position on this question," said Frank Close of the University of Oxford, who led the study.

    Prof Close said he and his colleagues had initially been sceptical of the scientific value of human space flight. "However, while fully recognising the technical challenge and the need for substantial investment, we have, nevertheless, been persuaded by the evidence ... that the direct involvement of humans in situ is essential if we are to pursue science of profound interest to humankind that can only be undertaken on the moon and Mars."

    According to the report, a return to human space flight would need an investment of £150m a year over the next 20 years. Prof Close said the rewards were well worth the cost, citing the "inspirational effects on the young, recruiting the next generation of scientists and engineers, the general challenge to industry".

    The government has shied away from funding manned space missions, arguing that robot probes such as Venus Express, due to be launched next week, are a more cost-effective way to explore the solar system. "The widely-held public perception is that robots can do much more than they actually can," said Prof Close. "They're very good at doing well-defined repetitive tasks, they're not good problem solvers."

    Ken Pounds of the University of Leicester said manned space missions would help solve profound questions about the possibility of life on other planets. "Life on Earth is extremely robust, it occurs just about everywhere," he said. "It would really be remarkable if there was no life on Mars. To determine that negative is going to be a major programme - you can't just wander around with a couple of rovers and say, 'We haven't found anything, therefore there's no life on Mars'."

    John Dudeney, the deputy director of the British Antarctic Survey, said the methods used for research at the poles of the Earth could be transferred to other planets. "There's some very interesting scientific questions that can be answered by taking cores from the surface of the moon and taking cores from the surface of Mars," he said. "On the moon, we can look at the early history of the sun, we can look at the early history of the Earth and how planets evolved. With Mars we have a planet which is cold and dead [but] it seems that it may have once been warm and wet and may have had life. Is it a history lesson for us about where our planet might be going?"

    Prof Pounds said Britain needed to decide quickly whether it wanted to get involved with international manned space programmes. In December the government will decide whether to sign up to the European Space Agency's Aurora programme, an ambitious vision that aims to eventually put people on Mars.

    Prof Pounds said the UK might also consider collaborations with American, Japanese or Chinese scientists in manned spaceflight. "If the other major nations of the world are involved, does the UK yet again want to be the one that's out of step?" said Prof Close. "If space science fiction is ever going to become science fact, now is the time."
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited October 2005
    I think the Quatermass series put HMG off the idea of space exploration by human beings!
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