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edited July 2010 in Buddhism Basics
I have become very interested in Buddhism after reading the Herman Hesse novel, Siddhartha. I've been interested in the philosophy since high school when in a cursory overview, learned of several of its elements. I know a little of The Four Noble Truths, The Eightfold Path and Dharma. Everything I know about Buddhism comes from tertiary sources, I ask that you might direct me to deeper texts. I would like to educate myself.

Also, I have a question. My whole life I have felt a deep yearning for the spiritual. I do not believe in the supernatural nor in any sort of higher power. The very little I have learned of Buddhism has absolutely moved me. That being said, I don't think my beliefs about the supernatural will change. So, can one be both a Buddhist and an atheist?

Thanks :)

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  • edited July 2010
    We'll that's me, I'm a Buddhist and an Atheist. I don't believe in the supernatural, or any type of cosmic guessing and conjecture. I do, however believe in the mind, and that ultimately, all we experience and feel, comes from our mind. I do agree that you can transform the world around you, by changing you perception of it. Tibetan Buddhism has a lot practical goodies to offer. I would recommend VENERABLE ROBINA COURTIN. She is an Australian nun, who is very practical and straight forward. She doesn't like words like 'holy', and she has a great sense of humor. She says there's more to Buddhism than shaving your hair and putting on 14th century clothing. Her podcasts, CDs DVD etc won't let you down. If you have trouble sourcing her material, let me know. :D
  • mugzymugzy Veteran
    edited July 2010
    Szilard wrote: »
    I have become very interested in Buddhism after reading the Herman Hesse novel, Siddhartha.

    Great book, but a work of fiction nonetheless (I much prefer Hesse's novel Demian). There are much better books that describe the life of the Buddha in a more accurate light.
    Szilard wrote: »
    I've been interested in the philosophy since high school when in a cursory overview, learned of several of its elements. I know a little of The Four Noble Truths, The Eightfold Path and Dharma. Everything I know about Buddhism comes from tertiary sources, I ask that you might direct me to deeper texts. I would like to educate myself.

    As a starting point I would recommend Buddhism for Beginners by Thubten Chodron. There are also many great introductory books written by the Dalai Lama, Thich Nhat Hanh, Chogyam Trungpa, Pema Chodron, Jon Kabat-Zinn, Jack Kornfield, and many others. If you haven't already check out the Recommended Reading thread on this site.

    The Heart of Wisdom Sutra (aka Prajnaparamita or Heart Sutra) is very popular and studied by many different sects of Buddhism.
    Szilard wrote: »
    Also, I have a question. My whole life I have felt a deep yearning for the spiritual. I do not believe in the supernatural nor in any sort of higher power. The very little I have learned of Buddhism has absolutely moved me. That being said, I don't think my beliefs about the supernatural will change. So, can one be both a Buddhist and an atheist?

    What does the supernatural have to do with Buddhism?
  • zidanguszidangus Veteran
    edited July 2010
    I keep recommending it for people who want to get an overview and feel for Buddhism, its the foundation course by the FWBO. The link is below, its free, gives a great overview and the course is given in pdf format. There are more indepth courses on the website which are also free, if you wish to go a bit deeper.
    Hope it helps.

    http://www.freebuddhistaudio.com/study/foundation

    metta to all
  • JasonJason God Emperor Arrakis Moderator
    edited July 2010
    Szilard wrote: »
    I have become very interested in Buddhism after reading the Herman Hesse novel, Siddhartha. I've been interested in the philosophy since high school when in a cursory overview, learned of several of its elements. I know a little of The Four Noble Truths, The Eightfold Path and Dharma. Everything I know about Buddhism comes from tertiary sources, I ask that you might direct me to deeper texts. I would like to educate myself.

    Hey, Szilard, and welcome. Concerning online resources, I'd advise Access to Insight, especially their section for suggested entry points to their site entitled Beginnings. It also has a sizable library of books, essays and sutta translations. I always like checking out talks from the Sati Center and Thanissaro Bhikkhu, as well.

    Concerning books, I'd advise Bhikkhu Bodhi's The Middle Length Discourses of the Buddha: A Translation of the Majjhima Nikaya, Richard Gombrich's How Buddhism Began: The Conditioned Genesis of the Early Teachings and What the Buddha Thought, David Kalupahana's Buddhist Philosophy: A Historical Analysis and History of Buddhist Philosophy: Continuities and Discontinuities, and the co-authored Buddhist Religions: A Historical Introduction.
    Also, I have a question. My whole life I have felt a deep yearning for the spiritual. I do not believe in the supernatural nor in any sort of higher power. The very little I have learned of Buddhism has absolutely moved me. That being said, I don't think my beliefs about the supernatural will change. So, can one be both a Buddhist and an atheist?

    Of course. In fact, I happen to be of the opinion that Buddhism ultimately rejects the idea of a creator God. For one thing, the logic of dependent co-arising negates God because it precludes a first cause or a causeless cause. And then there’s this famous problem of evil passage from the Bhuridatta Jataka:
    We see those rules enforced before our eyes,
    None but the Brahmans offer sacrifice,
    None but the Khattiya exercises sway,
    The Vessas plough, the Suddas must obey.
    These greedy liars propagate deceit,
    And fools believe the fictions they repeat;
    He who has eyes can see the sickening sight;
    Why does not Brahma set his creatures right?
    If his wide power no limits can restrain,
    Why is his hand so rarely spread to bless?
    Why are his creatures all condemned to pain?
    Why does he not to all give happiness?

    Why do fraud, lies, and ignorance prevail?
    Why triumphs falsehood, truth and justice fail?
    I count your Brahma one of the unjust among,
    Who made a world in which to shelter wrong.
    Those men are counted pure who only kill
    Frogs, worms, bees, snakes or insects as they will,
    These are your savage customs which I hate,
    Such as Kamboja hordes might emulate.
    If he who kills is counted innocent
    And if the victim safe to heaven is sent,
    Let Brahmans Brahmans kill so all were well
    And those who listen to the words they tell.

    So, essentially, Buddhism is non-theistic in view. Nevertheless, even in the Pali Canon, there are references to devas or what we might call 'heavenly beings.' However, devas (literally 'radiant ones'), which are often seen as gods when taken literally, are simply non-human beings who are more powerful and long-lived than ordinary humans, but by no means eternal, omnipresent, omnipotent, etc.; but more importantly, they can also be viewed metaphorically as the indulgent and hedonistic aspects of our psychology (i.e., the parts that are addicted to sensual pleasures).

    In addition, according to AN 3.61, the belief in a supreme being can be unskillful and interfere with Dhamma practice if it leads to a denial of the efficacy of karma (literally 'action') and a life of inaction:
    "Having approached the priests & contemplatives who hold that... 'Whatever a person experiences... is all caused by a supreme being's act of creation,' I said to them: 'Is it true that you hold that... "Whatever a person experiences... is all caused by a supreme being's act of creation?"' Thus asked by me, they admitted, 'Yes.' Then I said to them, 'Then in that case, a person is a killer of living beings because of a supreme being's act of creation. A person is a thief... unchaste... a liar... a divisive speaker... a harsh speaker... an idle chatterer... greedy... malicious... a holder of wrong views because of a supreme being's act of creation.' When one falls back on creation by a supreme being as being essential, monks, there is no desire, no effort [at the thought], 'This should be done. This shouldn't be done.' When one can't pin down as a truth or reality what should & shouldn't be done, one dwells bewildered & unprotected. One cannot righteously refer to oneself as a contemplative. This was my second righteous refutation of those priests & contemplatives who hold to such teachings, such views.

    Moreover, in relation to the four noble truths and the practice of the noble eightfold path, the matter of the existence of God is irrelevant and, ultimately, a distraction to be avoided. That doesn't mean that people can't believe in God and still practice the Dhamma, especially the noble eightfold path, but it does mean that, at the very least, such a view can negatively impact the practice when held inappropriately.

    Personally, I think Buddhism has always been what we might call a type of 'transcendent psychology,' and it's only been relatively recently (at least in the West) that its more technical terms have been understood and translated in ways that make this clear. I think this shift is due in no small part to the decades of excellent scholarship that has been brought to bear on the texts and the religious-historical context in which they took shape.

    Regardless of how it's been popularized, at its core, Buddhism deals exclusively with one subject, that of human mental suffering. The Buddha himself made it clear that:
    Both formerly and now, monks, I declare only stress and the cessation of stress.

    That's not to say there aren't 'supernatural' concepts in Buddhism, or that local customs, deities and religious practices haven't found their way into Buddhism wherever it's been established. But rather than a pure system of thought or a strictly faith-based worship of the supernatural, a critical analysis of the earliest texts reveals a much more pragmatic and specialized method of mental training than most traditional Buddhists and Western converts realize—one that seeks to diminish and even eliminate suffering by radically changing the way the mind relates to experience.

    So being an atheist, or even a theist for that matter, doesn't preclude one from practicing Buddhism as long as one has an open mind and is willing to seriously give some of these teachings a chance.
  • edited July 2010
    mugzy wrote: »
    What does the supernatural have to do with Buddhism?

    Things life rebirth and enlightenment could be considered supernatural, or at least a belief held out by faith.
  • edited July 2010
    For me, Buddhism is quite different than other faiths that I have looked into. Buddhism does not require that you believe or not believe in a deity or deities. You can believe in God and be a Buddhist, and you can be an atheist and be a Buddhist. There are no restrictions.

    I suppose that is one reason why Buddhism is often seen as a philosophy than a religion. It is a way at looking at life and a way to handle the problems of mental suffering.

    Buddhism is very very practical.

    http://newbuddhist.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6701

    Perfect answer!
  • pegembarapegembara Veteran
    edited July 2010
    Szilard wrote: »
    I have become very interested in Buddhism after reading the Herman Hesse novel, Siddhartha. I've been interested in the philosophy since high school when in a cursory overview, learned of several of its elements. I know a little of The Four Noble Truths, The Eightfold Path and Dharma. Everything I know about Buddhism comes from tertiary sources, I ask that you might direct me to deeper texts. I would like to educate myself.

    Also, I have a question. My whole life I have felt a deep yearning for the spiritual. I do not believe in the supernatural nor in any sort of higher power. The very little I have learned of Buddhism has absolutely moved me. That being said, I don't think my beliefs about the supernatural will change. So, can one be both a Buddhist and an atheist?

    Thanks :)


    Read this ebook by the late Chief Venerable Dhammananda.

    http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/whatbelieve.pdf
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