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Deliberately Creating Good Karma
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My point was not that Newton's law of motion and the law of karma are "exactly" the same; it was that the expression of Newton's law ("for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction") happens to be an expression of the karmic law, in a nutshell.
This analogue provides a useful "bridge" for conveying the reality of karma to the doubting masses. It isn't necessary that the bridge be strong enough to hold up under "scientific" scrutiny: it's more of a "parable," a way of side-stepping the limitations of the intellect to convey a universal truth.
To me, the most interesting thing about the analogy is that Newton's law is well-known and accepted, but the law of karma (which is visible in many ways, all through creation) is "doubted," as Simon mentioned. I believe this is because we have placed too much weight on the material end of the reality spectrum, and too little on the metaphysical; though thankfully, that imbalance is slowly being corrected.
It appears to me that an arising intent has no origin. In other words there is a seamless flow out of which an arisen intention is distinguished as a discrete object of mind. This distinguishing is part and parcel with self distinguishing. The karmic universe is how the universe looks from a point of self-contraction. Instead of unselfconscious flow there is self-conscious intention. This knot of self-consciousness is experienced as the author of intention and the receiver of intention's rebound. When there is no self-view there is no author and no rebound.
.... Conventionally, from the "outside" the Buddha decides to eat.
...Thats how it looks from here anyway.
I appreciate the skillful view of what you're presenting. I noticed that what I call intention, you call 'seamless flow', and to you there can be no intention without self, because intention is defined as something the self identifies as a discrete object.
The Buddha would certainly be outside the loop of formulation. What language would you use to describe the impetus behind the words he said... spontaneity? Well aimed randomness?
As for not needing to get caught up in the dualism: I agree, but at the same time we live in a dualistic universe. We have fashioned a world in which dualism is very much a reality--where "dark" and "light" are real forces at work, created and fed by our own thoughts and ideas. You and I participate in this dualistic reality every day, even as we acknowledge the deeper reality that underlies it, to which you refer.
We have not yet reached Nirvana: we are still in a karmic realm. Every day, in everything we do, we are in this karmic reality. It's not like the act of saying "stop thinking in terms of karma, and start practicing no-mind" suddenly deletes the law of karma from our universe. As long as we're in the physical realm, we are subject to karma. Understanding that we have a Buddha Nature is a step toward Enlightenment, but we still have one foot in the karmic realm.
This in no way contradicts the truth of what you say. Reality is at once unified (absolute) and fragmented (relative). Enlightenment, says the Buddha, is within us all, like a seed waiting to be nurtured and cultivated to fruition. At the same time, we live and move and have our being in a dualistic, karmic framework, known as "Planet Earth."
It so happens that in this thread I am focusing on the latter--on "optimizing" the karmic law to make practical progress along the Noble Eightfold Path--but I acknowledge what you and others have shared here, about transcending dualism and karma altogether, and I do not mean to contradict that at all. On the contrary, I factor all these wise insights into my ever-evolving consciousness, with gratitude.
Very well put! I agree completely. I did not mean that we do not have to deal with the real dualism that we face all the time. Lets take today. I had this period of time where i felt real restless, and tired at the same time. I started to get frustrated, wanting it to go away. But I also realized it was temporary, impermanent, and i also did not focus into it (very much ). I think that is trying to practice the "middle way". Sometimes that balancing act gets unnerving and even sometimes we fall of the tight rope. Or run off the path into the bushes for a bit. But as the old saying goes, practice makes ( relative ) perfection, or at least were conscious of trying to keep our vehicle on the road.....
I love hearing about people's everyday practical experiences. Knowing the "doctrine" is important, but actually using that knowledge to live life in a conscious and enlightened way...that's what it's all about.
I would liken it to the creative process, which involves unselfconscious precision within choiceless awareness. Things move, there is flow, but it is ownerless. Ownership shuts things down.
There are the ABC's we can share as Dharma outright. This point I'm making is debatable, not for me experientially, but as a proposition being made in this forum. Does it ring a bell for you?
Nagarjuna talks about direct negations and implied negation for instance:
not practicing bodhichitta actually is a implied way of stating "i dont' care about anyone but me" this attitude is incompatible with enlightenment. and another way it implies is a negation of all the hard work of the three jewels , since it really isn't important to serve others that makes buddha's enlightenment false, dharma not neccessary and sanga full of it. What an implication !
if its the nature of fire to burn why get mad that it burned you
if its the nature of the sky to be clear why get mad at the clouds when they are passing *.
This application is great. I love the realitivity and ultimate view in just two statements.
I can deal with my frusterations better with this application
*paraphrase
Wisdom is what we do to improve our view, Compassion is what we do with others because of the view. This is awesome !
I like to busy myself with the view and when im infront of a person practice non objectifying compassion to accumulate merit to understand the view deeper.
When I sit within your language, your words do make sense to me. What you call intention, I regard as self-centric or confused intention. What you've defined as "unselfconscious precision within choiceless awareness" is what I regard as intent... the impetus behind action, independent of a self.
When you say "Intention is part of what constitutes a selfhood" I wonder if this is true, or if self-centric intent and the false view of self are both related to clinging to views, rather than to each other. Perhaps they are both symptoms of a common misunderstood quality?
With warmth,
Matt
How do you see intention?
(If indeed you are trying to make a point--which I probably shouldn't assume!)
please explain this to me
I wonder if then virtue and vice are even distinguishable in your view. Its true that samsara is nirvana, but i don't think that the lines between virtue and vice are indistinguishable other wise why in the world would the buddha call the ten nonvirtues , nonvirtues? this doesn't make sense to me. I understand your trying to reconcile ideas of duality with cessation. But its important to not reify suffering and cessation. they are not two distinct things. but that doesn't mean virtue and vice are one in the same.
So you're saying that while my suggestion of planting good karmic seeds isn't a bad idea, there's a better way: to simply practice, and aspire to awaken, and that aspiration will lead naturally to enlightenment.
Am I interpreting that right? (If not, please kindly correct me. Thanks!)
I see intention as the impetus behind the motion of life. When it is perfectly clear and resonant, it is of course devoid of any self... that's a pretty basic description of all phenomena. That's not to say it has no direction... I feel it would be difficult to maintain a view that life exists without direction. I feel I've pointed toward what I consider intent, from a few angles.
For instance, when the Dharma was first spoken, we could say the Buddha did not have any intent. There was no Buddha, only awake. However, we also can't say that what was said was random, or it would have been gibberish.
There was no director, but there was direction... no formulator, but a formulation. You can regard it as you said the "unselfconscious precision within choiceless awareness" that motivated the transferring of the dharma, or a bodhisattva to pull a person from a busy street. If the acts are not random, there must be an order... even if it arises without an actor.
It would be great if we could all live in monasteries, and not have to worry about "where we're going" or "setting goals," because our whole being could be focused on and devoted to meditation and practice. In such a setting, the "spontaneous flow" approach is ideal.
But in the "real world," in the midst of the samsaric/karmic realm, if you don't have a sense of direction, of purpose, you will encounter great difficulties.
We have one foot in each world, and we must find a way to balance them.
Whenever I think about this topic the Taoist concept of "Wu-Wei" comes to mind. It's translated as the "action of non-action" or the "direction of no-direction". Although it is a Taoist concept I think it is quite compatible with Buddhism and sheds light on what "spontaneous action" really means.
I'm not sure if others have already answered this way, its late and time for meditation/bed so I cannot read the other answers . The problem with this logic is that one could be born in a god realm where one will forget the dharma until the good karma is used up. To work towards enlightenment you must aspire to do it as a human as this is the most beneficial realm for practise. Though having said this there are pure realms where one can aspire to be born. So the positive options that I see are: 1) Rebirth in pure realm, 2) Aspire to reborn as human, 3) Become enlightened in this lifetime.
Several traditions say that 3) is possible. Mahayana is specifically aimed at 2) and has skilful means (Boddhicitta) to help one be reborn as a human. There are traditions that use various methods to arrive at 1).
Deliberately accumulating positive karma needs to be done in the context of skilful means, otherwise a beneficial birth will ensue but result in forgetting the dharma until the time of death, when it will be too late.
Hope this adds somewhat. Its a bit brief and not well thought out, for instance I haven't worked out where the more traditional schools fit into this equation. Though its my belief that the intention of the practitioner is independent of the actual vehicle or tradition practised. Anyway its very late now and I'll leave it as is.
Cheers, WK
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