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Do the rich have a monopoly on Buddhism?

so today in my learning of Buddhism I hit a very big bump (at least from my understanding of things) that may throw the cart right off the track sadly. I learned that you must have a teacher (a physical teacher or guru) to attain enlightenment. This makes me really sad. I live in a place in the United States..well its a small town. The nearest I can tell that a teacher would be is 200 + miles away or more! Even if there is someone in Washington D.C that is still quite a bit away from me. I am poor and disabled (just the facts no sympathy seeking) have no way of traveling this distance to perhaps pay someone to teach me! All i can do is read books which I have heard is not enough (i understand this, but it is just difficult for me to grasp not being able to attain enlightenment unless someone is teaching me person to person) Also...as I was watching a program on Buddhism (its one with teachers and students talking about various subjects,Richard gere, keanu reeves etc) its seems like everyone is affluent, i dont see anyone who is truly just your basic joe. Forgive me for saying this but, I dont think Buddha wanted to exclude the poor in gaining enlightenment, but when you have to pay 300 or more dollars to attend a seminar, that is...bs. (looking at an ad in a certain buddhist magazine) I dont mean to offend anyone, but it bothers me and saddens me that perhaps I cant gain enlightenment :(

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  • StaticToyboxStaticToybox Veteran
    edited August 2010
    Whoever said that you must have a teacher in order to attain enlightenment?
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited August 2010
    I am in contact with a teacher by email. Lama Shenpen Hookham of awakened heart sangha. She answers my questions and I can hear her speak in dharma talks that are on the sangha's website. The sangha does ask for donations, but it is according to your means. So if you have no extra income you wouldn't have to donate and if you did you donate a small amount compared to someone wealthy...

    Don't get the wrong idea. I know Keeanu etc.. Actually you have a precious human birth if you get disability income. You can practice all day like a monk instead of working. Thats what I do. I have much more time to receive the dharma. I think my disability might be a blessing.
  • edited August 2010
    Takeahnase wrote: »
    Whoever said that you must have a teacher in order to attain enlightenment?
    This program i was watching did...i mean they even pointed out that you "must" have a teacher, the expertise the teacher must have (10 of those) and how if you do not have this, you are basically not going to learn anything worthwhile. It was a 13 part program on Buddhism. It had videos of the Dalai Lama, and other teachers, students, actors..etc..
  • StaticToyboxStaticToybox Veteran
    edited August 2010
    I'm on disability as well. I know I've grown thankful that, while I don't have a great amount of money, I can spend my time on the things that interest me, and in growing myself intellectually, emotionally, and spiritually rather than taxing myself mentally and physically everyday to come up with the money to pay my rent.
  • edited August 2010
    Jeffrey wrote: »
    I am in contact with a teacher by email. Lama Shenpen Hookham of awakened heart sangha. She answers my questions and I can hear her speak in dharma talks that are on the sangha's website. The sangha does ask for donations, but it is according to your means. So if you have no extra income you wouldn't have to donate and if you did you donate a small amount compared to someone wealthy...

    Don't get the wrong idea. I know Keeanu etc.. Actually you have a precious human birth if you get disability income. You can practice all day like a monk instead of working. Thats what I do. I have much more time to receive the dharma. I think my disability might be a blessing.
    I understand what you mean..being disabled can seem like a bad thing, but in terms of pursuits of more mental activities it is a blessing. My wife however doesnt think so lol. My disability is mostly just having had spinal surgery and things that go with this. Long story but I am seeking to devote my life to the right method of living, Buddhism seems right to me. But there seems to be perhaps limitations i have...unless I move? :(
  • StaticToyboxStaticToybox Veteran
    edited August 2010
    This program i was watching did...i mean they even pointed out that you "must" have a teacher, the expertise the teacher must have (10 of those) and how if you do not have this, you are basically not going to learn anything worthwhile. It was a 13 part program on Buddhism. It had videos of the Dalai Lama, and other teachers, students, actors..etc..

    Having a teacher helps, but teachers can come in many different forms, and not necessarily ones that require financial obligation on your part.
  • edited August 2010
    Soon I hope to be having gastric bypass surgery, and hopefully some of my health problems will get better. Living with the idea in the back of my mind that hey I could die today, live your life the right way now...is something that is very special to me. Having grown up as a JW with their idea of resurrection, doom and gloom..etc.. it is a breath of fresh air.
  • edited August 2010
    Takeahnase wrote: »
    Having a teacher helps, but teachers can come in many different forms, and not necessarily ones that require financial obligation on your part.
    right now i think the only resources i have to work with are in books, and perhaps youtube,conversations with nice folks like yourselves. I live in a place where I wonder if anyone has really heard of buddhism, or eastern philosophy.
  • MountainsMountains Veteran
    edited August 2010
    I live in a place where I wonder if anyone has really heard of buddhism, or eastern philosophy.

    Welcome to Virginia ;) What part of the state are you in?

    Mtns

    PS: Whoever it was that said you can't attain enlightenment without having a teacher has obviously never heard of this guy who lived a long time ago named Prince Siddhartha, aka the Buddha. He didn't have a guru, and he's fairly widely acknowledged to have become enlightened. I'm amazed anyone who considers himself or herself to be a Buddhist would even think such a thing, much less say it out loud!
  • edited August 2010
    Mountains wrote: »
    Welcome to Virginia ;) What part of the state are you in?

    Mtns

    PS: Whoever it was that said you can't attain enlightenment without having a teacher has obviously never heard of this guy who lived a long time ago named Prince Siddhartha, aka the Buddha. He didn't have a guru, and he's fairly widely acknowledged to have become enlightened. I'm amazed anyone who considers himself or herself to be a Buddhist would even think such a thing, much less say it out loud!
    Maybe ive gotten the wrong idea...lol its possible. I dont know what this program is called, ill find out, but it is very well done and im not sure if it is legit or not? You know Mountains, I thought that too (about Siddhartha Buddha).

    I am in Strasburg, Virginia (northern va)...nearest cities are Manassas,Winchester,Fairfax.
  • ShutokuShutoku Veteran
    edited August 2010
    a couple things.
    The importance of a teacher for one to one instruction varies from one tradition to the next. In some traditions it isn't such a big deal at all, and in others it is vital. So maybe look into different traditions

    Secondly, in the world of internet, you have many more options than were once available.
    Someone here for example posted a link to this : http://www.treeleaf.org/index.html
    Tree leaf sangha is an online sangha in the Soto Zen tradition. There is a discussion forum like this one (except it only discusses within the Soto Zen tradition) you can have one on one discussion with the teachers, they have an online meditation hall...basically a zendo with a camera so you can sit with others there, online retreats and services.
    Basically everything you would have with a Temple close by.

    With my own Jodo Shinshu Temple's future very much in doubt (90 % of members are 70 or older, and no new members are coming in) and since I was originally practicing Soto, I may adopt Tree Leaf as my Buddhist home once/if the local Temple closes.

    If you look around I'm sure you can find something online.
  • edited August 2010
    Shutoku wrote: »
    a couple things.
    The importance of a teacher for one to one instruction varies from one tradition to the next. In some traditions it isn't such a big deal at all, and in others it is vital. So maybe look into different traditions

    Secondly, in the world of internet, you have many more options than were once available.
    Someone here for example posted a link to this : http://www.treeleaf.org/index.html
    Tree leaf sangha is an online sangha in the Soto Zen tradition. There is a discussion forum like this one (except it only discusses within the Soto Zen tradition) you can have one on one discussion with the teachers, they have an online meditation hall...basically a zendo with a camera so you can sit with others there, online retreats and services.
    Basically everything you would have with a Temple close by.

    With my own Jodo Shinshu Temple's future very much in doubt (90 % of members are 70 or older, and no new members are coming in) and since I was originally practicing Soto, I may adopt Tree Leaf as my Buddhist home once/if the local Temple closes.

    If you look around I'm sure you can find something online.
    Thank you Shutoku for that info, i have been looking since i posted this thread and have found some more resources. It is confusing however because there are so many options! :) thats a good thing but still confusing. There are different traditions that i wish i could find a easy way to see what would be best for me.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited August 2010
    Some Tibetan Buddhism traditions and practices definitely need a Guru or teacher to guide you through them. Indisputably.

    But please remember, the most powerful authority you have to guide you, ultimately - is yourself.
    The Buddha recommended we take nothing at face value - and that includes 'teachers' and what they teach. 'Ehi Passeiko' means 'come and see for yourself'. Using the eyes, lips, ears and mind of another, is still relying on something outside of yourself to delineate what is skilful and what is not.

    Your own discernment, evaluation and logical and discriminating thinking will be the yardstick by which you measure everything.
    I have come across highly elevated Lamas and Gurus, with whom I did not agree.
    I have come across "simple" laypeople, Bikkhus and Bikkhunis who have demonstrated a diamond clarity and dazzling truth in their simple words.
    Many have been on this here forum, even....

    But I've still had to consider their words, and whether in fact they resonated or not....

    Ultimately, friend - YOU are the best teacher you could ever hope to find.
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    edited August 2010
    The path is the goal. If you carry on practicing trying to so so hard to get to this state of mind, you will never find it. Teachers help for sure, but with the modern day advances in technology, you can listen to hours and hours of words of wisdom from many monks online. They have talks on specific subjects, put things into perspective and can teach the teachings with relation to every day life. Also, try going on a self retreat once in a while, take time to be by yourself in nature for a few days. No tv, no computer games, no fone calls with people unless a badger bites your foot off and no pc! You may learn about how your mind works, about life and many other things.
    You do not need a personal teacher, like some stated previously, the buddha did not have a teacher and he in fact stated that no1 should be his successor. The teacher for us should be the dharma itself. Although having an ajahn would help, it is not something necessary, tom :)
  • edited August 2010
    Thank you everyone for your kind and informative posts.
  • edited August 2010
    Your root lama can be anyone or anything, from an animal to some difficult person in your life to the deepest actual nature of reality. All phenomena are manifestations of interpenetrated Buddha-nature anyway. Eventually, you must identify what exactly you need or need more of in order to bring yourself closer to enlightenment as a straightforward consideration of skillful means. That is the teacher whom you must have if you are to make progress beyond a certain point.
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