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Your opinion. I can find 20 other D.V.M. veterinarians that disagree.
Yes, you can find literature that says dogs can be vegetarians. I do not disagree with that. But I go back to mother nature. In nature dogs are ominvores. Bears are also omnivores. But put a plate of salad and a plate of meat down, and which do you think both of those species will go for? Hint: it isn't the salad.
I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over this with you. I'm sure some veterinarian somewhere would recommend turning your dog into a vegetarian. But I've been a licensed professional in the veterinary medicine field, and I can tell you that a) there are a lot of REALLY lousy veterinarians out there, and b) you're going to be VERY hard pressed to find a competent veterinarian anywhere on earth who will tell you it's a good idea to make a dog a vegetarian. If you can find 20 of them, I'd be happy to know who they are (note I said "competent" veterinarians).
What you do with your dog is entirely your business, since dogs are property, not legally independent individuals. But you're not doing him any favors by trying to turn him exclusively into something that he's not by nature. Believe that or not, argue until you're blue in the face, but it's a fact. The only valid reason to deprive a dog of meat is because he's allergic to it or it otherwise causes him physical harm. Your ego should have nothing to do with it.
My dog likes vegetables. It is funny watching him work on a celery stick. But it is meat protein that he really likes. I don't think it is fair to the animal to experiment with their diet and hope it works out.
Yes, you can find literature that says dogs can be vegetarians. I do not disagree with that. But I go back to mother nature. In nature dogs are ominvores. Bears are also omnivores. But put a plate of salad and a plate of meat down, and which do you think both of those species will go for? Hint: it isn't the salad.
I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over this with you. I'm sure some veterinarian somewhere would recommend turning your dog into a vegetarian. But I've been a licensed professional in the veterinary medicine field, and I can tell you that a) there are a lot of REALLY lousy veterinarians out there, and b) you're going to be VERY hard pressed to find a competent veterinarian anywhere on earth who will tell you it's a good idea to make a dog a vegetarian. If you can find 20 of them, I'd be happy to know who they are (note I said "competent" veterinarians).
What you do with your dog is entirely your business, since dogs are property, not legally independent individuals. But you're not doing him any favors by trying to turn him exclusively into something that he's not by nature. Believe that or not, argue until you're blue in the face, but it's a fact. The only valid reason to deprive a dog of meat is because he's allergic to it or it otherwise causes him physical harm. Your ego should have nothing to do with it.
Mtns
So we agree to disagree. That is OK. I don't have a dog though. Just 2 cats and I feed them regular cat food. But it's not about ego. It's about the contents of commercial dog food and the way it is produced.
:thumbsup: But then how do we feed them vegetables CORRECTLY in captivity?
As I said in my original post-
Mix pulped vegies 50/50 with some mince meat. Dogs love it!
I personally don't trust any commercial product labelled as "dog food".
What distinguishes "dog" food from "human food?"
A matter of quality!!
I don't feed my dogs anything (quality wise) that I wouldn't eat myself.
Google "Give your dog a bone" by Dr Ian Billinghurst.
An intelligent discussion on dog nutrition and one of the best books on the subject that I've ever read.
Do the best for your beautiful dog - I think that's Zen and the art of feeding dogs.
Really? No onions? That could explain why my dog sometimes has a sloppy poo (I feed her some of my quorn which contains onion). And my dog, aswell as her all-in-one biscuits has mackerel in tomato juice (for her joints, as she's ten in twelve days) and if she's at my mum's boyfriends she has fresh beef from the butchers and finest dog food, and if she's at my other nan's she gets beef.
Avocado, grapes and dark chocolate are also very tasty things to humans yet like poison to dogs. So what is good to us is not always to them. It's good to be educated on what animals can eat before you just try to become an amateur pet chef and feed them what you think is good lol.
Avocado, grapes and dark chocolate are also very tasty things to humans yet like poison to dogs.
Just wanted to throw garlic in there as well, since it's common in human cooking. I heard it wasn't as bad as onions but they work in a similar way (can damage red blood cells and cause anemia).
"The domestic dog and the wolf are one and the same. Dogs are not
omnivores, as some have claimed. Dogs are carnivores, exactly like
wild wolves. Geneticist Dr. Robert K. Wayne at UCLA has conclusively
proven that the domestic dog is a subspecies of the wolf. Subsequent studies
have verified this conclusion.
Next, it must be understood what wolves actually eat in the wild,
especially when they are not pressed by loss of habitat and human
intervention. Contrary to some claims, wolves do not eat the stomach
contents of their prey nor do wolves consume much vegetable matter.
The preferred food of the wild wolf is the meat, bones, and organs of large
hooved Mammals. In times of scarcity, desperate wolves will try to eat a variety of
food items, just as would any starving creature, but they strongly prefer to eat
meat, organ, and bone. Dr. L. David Mech has been studying
wolves for decades, and has published many books and articles on
wolves and their diets."
So we agree to disagree. That is OK. I don't have a dog though. Just 2 cats and I feed them regular cat food. But it's not about ego. It's about the contents of commercial dog food and the way it is produced.
from this link, for example, the Onesta brand says:
"Onesta Organics is the first US pet food manufacturer that is both certified organic and Green America-approved. Our healthy raw dehydrated pet food products for cats, dogs and pocket pets are certified organic (3rd party verified), human-grade, whole food-based and hypoallergenic. We only use meats from animals that are sustainably raised in local pastures. Since our pet foods are certified organic, they are verifiably free of GMOs, synthetic chemicals or other unhealthy ingredients. Keep your pet happy & healthy with foods that are made with care and your pet’s best interest in mind!"
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Yes, you can find literature that says dogs can be vegetarians. I do not disagree with that. But I go back to mother nature. In nature dogs are ominvores. Bears are also omnivores. But put a plate of salad and a plate of meat down, and which do you think both of those species will go for? Hint: it isn't the salad.
I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over this with you. I'm sure some veterinarian somewhere would recommend turning your dog into a vegetarian. But I've been a licensed professional in the veterinary medicine field, and I can tell you that a) there are a lot of REALLY lousy veterinarians out there, and b) you're going to be VERY hard pressed to find a competent veterinarian anywhere on earth who will tell you it's a good idea to make a dog a vegetarian. If you can find 20 of them, I'd be happy to know who they are (note I said "competent" veterinarians).
What you do with your dog is entirely your business, since dogs are property, not legally independent individuals. But you're not doing him any favors by trying to turn him exclusively into something that he's not by nature. Believe that or not, argue until you're blue in the face, but it's a fact. The only valid reason to deprive a dog of meat is because he's allergic to it or it otherwise causes him physical harm. Your ego should have nothing to do with it.
Mtns
So we agree to disagree. That is OK.
As I said in my original post-
Mix pulped vegies 50/50 with some mince meat. Dogs love it!
I personally don't trust any commercial product labelled as "dog food".
What distinguishes "dog" food from "human food?"
A matter of quality!!
I don't feed my dogs anything (quality wise) that I wouldn't eat myself.
Google "Give your dog a bone" by Dr Ian Billinghurst.
An intelligent discussion on dog nutrition and one of the best books on the subject that I've ever read.
Do the best for your beautiful dog - I think that's Zen and the art of feeding dogs.
NEVER,EVER, EVER
Feed your dog onions in any shape or form!!!
It causes explosive diarrhoea at best and anaemia at worst.
Google - feeding your dog onions for more information!
Please look after your dogs intelligently!
We need them as much as they need us!:):)
Just wanted to throw garlic in there as well, since it's common in human cooking. I heard it wasn't as bad as onions but they work in a similar way (can damage red blood cells and cause anemia).
omnivores, as some have claimed. Dogs are carnivores, exactly like
wild wolves. Geneticist Dr. Robert K. Wayne at UCLA has conclusively
proven that the domestic dog is a subspecies of the wolf. Subsequent studies
have verified this conclusion.
Next, it must be understood what wolves actually eat in the wild,
especially when they are not pressed by loss of habitat and human
intervention. Contrary to some claims, wolves do not eat the stomach
contents of their prey nor do wolves consume much vegetable matter.
The preferred food of the wild wolf is the meat, bones, and organs of large
hooved Mammals. In times of scarcity, desperate wolves will try to eat a variety of
food items, just as would any starving creature, but they strongly prefer to eat
meat, organ, and bone. Dr. L. David Mech has been studying
wolves for decades, and has published many books and articles on
wolves and their diets."
Dr. Wayne's website:
http://www.eeb.ucla.edu/indivfaculty.php?FacultyKey=501
Dr. Mech's website:
http://www.davemech.org/biography.html
so don't buy commercial food then?
http://www.ecobusinesslinks.com/all_natural_pet_food.htm
from this link, for example, the Onesta brand says:
"Onesta Organics is the first US pet food manufacturer that is both certified organic and Green America-approved. Our healthy raw dehydrated pet food products for cats, dogs and pocket pets are certified organic (3rd party verified), human-grade, whole food-based and hypoallergenic. We only use meats from animals that are sustainably raised in local pastures. Since our pet foods are certified organic, they are verifiably free of GMOs, synthetic chemicals or other unhealthy ingredients. Keep your pet happy & healthy with foods that are made with care and your pet’s best interest in mind!"