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Nineteen Eighty-Four the book

edited August 2010 in Buddhism Basics
Has anyone read this book? I think it provides an interesting argument for the beauty of life in its ups and downs. What do you think of it since it conflicts with Buddha's teachings?

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  • edited August 2010
    randomguy wrote: »
    Has anyone read this book? I think it provides an interesting argument for the beauty of life in its ups and downs. What do you think of it since it conflicts with Buddha's teachings?


    My favorite book...I wonder if it does conflict? The main thought of the book is freedom. And i dont think that conflicts with Buddha's teachings. Freedom is just a quick way of summing it all up..theres more to it than that.
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    edited August 2010
    randomguy wrote: »
    Has anyone read this book? I think it provides an interesting argument for the beauty of life in its ups and downs. What do you think of it since it conflicts with Buddha's teachings?

    what is the conflict? i read it in high school and even acted in a theatrical version, but for the life of me, i can't think of any contradictions here... elaborate?
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited August 2010
    randomguy wrote: »
    Has anyone read this book? I think it provides an interesting argument for the beauty of life in its ups and downs. What do you think of it since it conflicts with Buddha's teachings?


    I imagine that quite a few of us have read it. I can still remember my reaction to that first sentence. It brings back even the smell of the pages. It must be over half-a-century ago but, from that moment, I was enthralled and my loathing for totalitarianism became visceral. At last I had a picture of what life might be like under such a regime and at perpetual war.

    Result? A life defending civil liberties and passionately anti-war. It hasn't stopped me understanding how we may slide, gently, oh so gently, into loss of freedom and conflict, why we need to distrust our leaders before we trust them.

    Does it conflict with the Buddha's teaching? I think not, not in the way that, say, Brave New World does. It paints a picture of what becomes of society when benevolence is lost, where solidarity with the disinherited has been eliminated, where all but an elite are those same disinherited, where war dominates the political and economic agenda, and violence and torture are used to impose the will of the strong on the weak. The lack of the medicine of Dr. Gotama in such a society is what enables the sickness to spread.

    And, in the end, Blair/Orwell confirms the extreme malleability of mind. What could be more Buddhist than that?

    Glad you enjoyed it, RG.
  • edited August 2010
    Well, the way I took it (in relation to Buddhism), is the conflict between mortification to create a following that has essentially complete followers who are content with being followers and know no other way. This conflicts with like you guys said the choice of freedom of liberties and (orwell says) living with the knowledge that life, with its ups and downs is much better than any kind of stable mind level. Now, what bothers me is the question that, is this content(ness) created through mortification not a distant cousin from Nirvana? Is Orwell saying the belief that being content is in fact bad or is it simply from the lack of knowledge that mortification, control, and forcing are no where near the power of wisdom to realize yourself the illusion of life? I feel like I sort of answered my question, but I could use some insight.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited August 2010
    Nope nirvana is not big brother.
  • edited August 2010
    randomguy wrote: »
    Now, what bothers me is the question that, is this content(ness) created through mortification not a distant cousin from Nirvana? Is Orwell saying the belief that being content is in fact bad or is it simply from the lack of knowledge that mortification, control, and forcing are no where near the power of wisdom to realize yourself the illusion of life? .

    I dont think anyone was truly content as you speak of in the book. Buddhism seems to me to be something that is far removed from any mortification,control or forcing. No one is forcing anything. No thought police. No big brother. Nirvana as i understand it, is not a bad thing at all..it is the absence of bad. Maybe I just dont understand where you are going with this. :P no matter...1984 is a good book..thought provoking.
  • edited August 2010
    I dont think anyone was truly content as you speak of in the book. Buddhism seems to me to be something that is far removed from any mortification,control or forcing. No one is forcing anything. No thought police. No big brother. Nirvana as i understand it, is not a bad thing at all..it is the absence of bad. Maybe I just dont understand where you are going with this. :P no matter...1984 is a good book..thought provoking.

    No, I agree. I do think, however, that those controlled were in content, but in more of an illusory content.
    Nope nirvana is not big brother.

    I never claimed this
  • edited August 2010
    randomguy wrote: »


    I never claimed this
    Fight! fight! fight!
    knock his lights out!!
  • MountainsMountains Veteran
    edited August 2010

    At last I had a picture of what life might be like under such a regime and at perpetual war.

    Welcome to 1984 circa 2010... At least in America. Warrantless wire taps, permanent imprisonment without charge or any semblance of due process, death sentences on citizens without benefit of trial, xenophobia to rival North Korea. Gotta love America.

    Mtns
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited August 2010
    Mountains wrote: »
    Welcome to 1984 circa 2010... At least in America. Warrantless wire taps, permanent imprisonment without charge or any semblance of due process, death sentences on citizens without benefit of trial, xenophobia to rival North Korea. Gotta love America.

    Mtns


    Orwell, thou should'st be living at this hour.
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