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How wrong is this view?

edited September 2010 in Buddhism Basics
Something said earlier that I liked but wasn't sure of:

"Impermanence applies to everything. If you accept that on the deepest level, not just a conscious intellectual level, how can change of any kind cause suffering? Suffering is entirely subjective, ask any masochist what they enjoy.

The mind defines everything we care about, adapt that to accept the reality that nothing lasts forever and your relationship with reality changes"

I guess I see this as the gradual goal (I use goal as just something to aim for, not something to get)

But are there any flaws to this thinking?

Comments

  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited September 2010
    No, to be honest, I don't think it is flawed at all. I think it's absolutely spot-on.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited September 2010
    Seems sound to me. My teacher says that the reason she practices is because she knows she needs to. She still has the habit of resisting change. I see the same in myself of course I don't like certain changes :lol:
  • ravkesravkes Veteran
    edited September 2010
    It's not thinking, it's an allowance of what is. Things like these (impermanence) are especially hard to express into words because it's so obvious..

    And yeah man, life works for you and not against when you accept that you're going to die.
    - You don't take much seriously.
    - You aren't attached to things that come and go (thoughts, emotions, people, yourself). Everything really externally.. lol it's funny.
    - Once this is accepted, it's like a fatty backpack was lifted off you.

    Here's a cool quote from the movie Jacob's Ladder:

    "Eckhart saw Hell too. He said: The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won't let go of life, your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you, he said. They're freeing your soul. So, if you're frightened of dying and... and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth. "

    Often times it takes suffering for one to transform and make peace with what is.

    Simply let go.

    Much love,

    :)
  • seeker242seeker242 Zen Florida, USA Veteran
    edited September 2010
    ALL thinking is flawed! :D
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited September 2010
    be sure to let the Buddha know.... I'm sure he'd be grateful you pointing that out to him.
  • ChrysalidChrysalid Veteran
    edited September 2010
    Kikujiro wrote: »
    Something said earlier that I liked but wasn't sure of:

    "Impermanence applies to everything. If you accept that on the deepest level, not just a conscious intellectual level, how can change of any kind cause suffering? Suffering is entirely subjective, ask any masochist what they enjoy.

    The mind defines everything we care about, adapt that to accept the reality that nothing lasts forever and your relationship with reality changes"

    I guess I see this as the gradual goal (I use goal as just something to aim for, not something to get)

    But are there any flaws to this thinking?
    I agree with others that it is sound.

    The way I think of it, there are two realities. The objective one that surrounds us, and the subjective one that we create in our minds. Suffering results when objective reality disagrees with our subjective realities, so the change in relationship is the letting go of the subjective filters and accepting the objective as it truly exists.
  • edited September 2010
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    It's always good not to take things too seriously....including one's own thoughts. When we develop a sense of humor and lightness in our interactions with others, life doesn't get too 'heavy' and we can naturally accept impermanence as part of it.





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  • edited September 2010
    Kikujiro wrote: »
    Something said earlier that I liked but wasn't sure of:

    "Impermanence applies to everything. If you accept that on the deepest level, not just a conscious intellectual level, how can change of any kind cause suffering? Suffering is entirely subjective, ask any masochist what they enjoy.

    The mind defines everything we care about, adapt that to accept the reality that nothing lasts forever and your relationship with reality changes"

    I guess I see this as the gradual goal (I use goal as just something to aim for, not something to get)

    But are there any flaws to this thinking?

    As long as you keep a bearing on real life, and what actually hurts other individuals.... aside from that yes I believe it is spot on
  • seeker242seeker242 Zen Florida, USA Veteran
    edited September 2010
    federica wrote: »
    be sure to let the Buddha know.... I'm sure he'd be grateful you pointing that out to him.

    He already knows.

    "And what is the perception of the undesirability of all fabrications? There is the case where a monk feels horrified, humiliated, & disgusted with all fabrications. This is called the perception of the undesirability of all fabrications."



    According to the Pali Canon — the earliest extant record of the Buddha's teachings — the fabrications of language cannot properly be used to describe anything outside of the realm of fabrication. In one mode of analysis, this realm is divided into the six senses (counting the mind as the sixth) & their objects; in another mode, into the five aggregates of form, feeling, perception, fabrications, & consciousness. However, passages in the Canon (such as AN 4.173 and SN 35.117) point to another realm — where the six senses & their objects cease — which can be experienced although not otherwise described, even in terms of existing, not existing, both, or neither. The goal of Buddhist practice belongs to this second realm, and this of course raised problems for the Buddha in how to teach & describe that goal.
    ~Thanissaro Bhikkhu
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