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if you are a vegeterian this will disturb you
yuriythebest
Veteran
I am a vegetarian, so I assumed I did not part take in the killing of animals or contribute to it in any way- I was dead wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRETz2F-heQ&feature=sub
Even if you are a vegan animals will still die (indirectly) because of you - this was just a small example. Imagine all the other stuff we have no idea about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRETz2F-heQ&feature=sub
Even if you are a vegan animals will still die (indirectly) because of you - this was just a small example. Imagine all the other stuff we have no idea about.
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I do try to minimise my use of animal products by not eating them (where this is possible; sometimes I guess I don't fully know what I'm eating), and I try to buy free-range eggs.
I should really use soya milk, but even then the destruction of forested areas - which indirectly harms wildlife - to produce soya products isn't great either.
Good post, but it's tough to lead a life without harming animals in some way. I look forward to further replies.
The word "veganism" denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude — as far as is possible and practical — all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose.
It's simply not possible to cause no harm at all to any and all animals.
Your post and the video the OP linked to got me to wondering something. If every person on the planet stopped eating meat today, would that actually stop the meat industry?
I am not looking for an answer as I suspect there may be no way to know, but I wonder if it would perhaps shrink a bit, but still remain alive and well given how far and wide animal based products are used. Or perhaps the uses for animal products are due to animal products being cheap since the cost is subsidized by those who eat meat?
Hmmmm.... I dunno.
I dunno too.... but "if every person on the planet stopped eating meat today", a lot of eskimos will starve to death.
Plus soy milk tastes like cardboard.
Well the meat industry would be stopped, but I doubt we'd stop killing animals to use their parts, at least until someone invents the replicator. What I don't think many people realise is how devastating it would be if everyone went vegan, we'd lose a great many unique animal species and breeds to extinction simply because many domesticated animals wouldn't be able to survive in the wild.
I'm sure there will be places in zoos for cows/chickens - they are not that exotic/hard to care for
I would think probably eventually because of economic factors, who knows. But then again, a bit irrelevant since it would never happen.
The is a HUGE taste difference between different brands. You probably got the crappy ones.
Meh, I really considered giving up dairy. But I decided against it for two reasons, firstly that my intent in buying milk is not to cause suffering (something you can't avoid if you buy meat) but to buy a product that can be produced without animals suffering. How a farmer chooses to treat their animals is his/her decision, some farmers are very good others are bad, I can't know which milk I'm buying I can only know my intent when buying.
Secondly was the practicality, milk products are in far more things than we realise, some of them very unexpected, so that the undertaking of a strict dairy-free diet would border on obsession and certainly stubbornness, not something that is beneficial to mindfulness in my opinion.
I guess that depends on where you live. Where I live it is quite easy to get food that does not have dairy products in it, so much so that it does not really require any extra effort.
Not to mention the countless animals whose body fat and the very cell walls of their cells (made up of lipids) that decomposed to make the crude oil that's refined into the motor fuel for the truck to carry the vegetables to the market.
It's impossible...
Mtns
And most of them were created by man anyway. And let's not even get into the genetically modified ones that *were* created by man. Just reading about a new GM salmon that they're trying to flog on us...
Mtns
I personally don't completely avoid meat (it's impossible on a college campus dining plan), but if the option is there I'll always eat a mix of beans for my complete proteins.
Not just eskimos. Many parts of Canada which cannot recieve delivered food on cold months(road closures, power outages) as I'm sure it is in Russia and any other very cold climate that ends up relying on wild meat as the only source of livelihood during the really bad winter months when you can't get anywhere and no one can get to you.
Although it has civilization, much of the land is still hard to live in. You still stock food in the warmer months and only certain foods stock without becoming rampant with weavels and other animals that are also starving with no grain in sight, covered in snow, rotted from the ground up because of the moisture or just unobtainable.
I've lived there. I never even knew what a vegetarian was let alone heard the word before I was 27.
Most of my family that still remain there only ever read about vegetarians and the concept still stumps them.
For us, it was considered very luxurious to live as a vegetarian to be able to choose among readily made foods to suit a specific diet. You don't get choices like that out there unless you can live on canned vegetables that didn't freeze.
I suppose that would be a lot of canned vegetables.
Porridge and maybe rice is the closest I could think of.. but then again, you have lots of rats, weavels mice and voles that eat that stuff on you and if you're being animal friendly, you'd end up having to share or let them freeze and starve to death.
Eating meat for survival and lack of other options is different from eating meat for pleasure, when there are many options.
Although it has civilization, much of the land is still hard to live in. You still stock food in the warmer months and only certain foods stock without becoming rampant with weavels and other animals that are also starving with no grain in sight, covered in snow, rotted from the ground up because of the moisture or just unobtainable.
I've lived there. I never even knew what a vegetarian was let alone heard the word before I was 27.
Most of my family that still remain there only ever read about vegetarians and the concept still stumps them.
For us, it was considered very luxurious to live as a vegetarian to be able to choose among readily made foods to suit a specific diet. You don't get choices like that out there unless you can live on canned vegetables that didn't freeze.
I suppose that would be a lot of canned vegetables.
Porridge and maybe rice is the closest I could think of.. but then again, you have lots of rats, weavels mice and voles that eat that stuff on you and if you're being animal friendly, you'd end up having to share or let them freeze and starve to death. "<!-- / message -->
I agree that it would be harder to be vegetarian in a colder climate. Harder does not mean impossible though. What are the herbivores eating in these cold climates? There are usually choices. I would exhaust all options before killing and eating the carcass of non human animals. If it really is that inhospitable for humans to live in these areas then perhaps that is a sign that humans just aren't meant to live in such harsh climates.
edited to add : I do not mean to come across snarky Chrysalid, the topic of animal exploitation hits a nerve and that is where my anger is directed, not at your question which was a legitamate one.
I have a different viewpoint to you, although I can understand yours quite well as I used to share it.
I don't buy meat because, like you, I don't believe in slaughtering animals for our personal pleasure (that usually being the taste of meat). But once an animal has been stripped of it's flesh, I do find the casual discarding of the corpse, like some tattered old bit of clothing, to be disrespectful. What really brought it home to me was sharkfin soup, where fishermen actually kill a shark just for it's dorsal fin and throw the rest back into the sea. I was disgusted by the killing, but somehow the fact that they did it just for the fin, that made the act that much more despicable in my eyes.
To me, using up every last ounce of a carcass is almost akin to postmortem compassion, to take what meat-eaters have discarded as worthless and give it back it's inherent worth.
Similar reasoning lies behind my decision to have every part of my body used for organ donation when I die, although it's different in that it's my choice whereas farm animals don't have that choice.
It boggles the mind.
Killing sharks for their fins disgusts me. From what I've heard it doesn't really add anything to the taste of the soup....it's just a status thing...sad . I will also be donating my body/organs after death but as you said that is our choice.