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The Power of Directed Thoughts during Meditation

de_void_of_meaningde_void_of_meaning
edited October 2010 in Buddhism Basics
Hello,
Was wondering, has anyone ever heard anything about focused thoughts having a direct effect on the world.
More than just the individuals own perception or behaviors.

An example, collective thoughts having an effect on the weather.
Example of this is how the weather after Valentines day usually is sunny and hot, even in the UK where it is normally miserable during that time of the year.

I personally think that some of the worlds bad weather could also be caused by collective mind. Could be completely wrong though. Just a theory.

Comments

  • SyntheticKineticSyntheticKinetic
    edited September 2010
    No
  • MountainsMountains Veteran
    edited September 2010
    I'm with synthetic. The weather is pretty complex. You can ascribe all kinds of significance to the weather on any given day, but I don't think it's attributable to buggah-buggah.
  • ChrysalidChrysalid Veteran
    edited September 2010
    SyntheticKinetic wrote: »
    No
    I agree.

    Although, could be that the phenomena you describe is illusory. When we want to see something badly enough, sometimes we see it even when it isn't there. So it could appear like our directed thoughts are affecting reality, when in fact it is our thoughts affecting our interpretation of reality.
  • TheJourneyTheJourney
    edited September 2010
    I actually think what OP is describing is possible. I think that the consciousness that we are aware of directly influences the "reality" around us, and thus we can use that consciousness to manipulate things like that in the same way that we can manipulate people. Of course I could be wrong, but it makes sense to me.
  • ChrysalidChrysalid Veteran
    edited September 2010
    TheJourney wrote: »
    I actually think what OP is describing is possible. I think that the consciousness that we are aware of directly influences the "reality" around us, and thus we can use that consciousness to manipulate things like that in the same way that we can manipulate people. Of course I could be wrong, but it makes sense to me.
    Yet we create our own realities. Thus the projection of our will upon those created realities can manifest in illusory results, kinda like seeing faces in clouds.
  • TheJourneyTheJourney
    edited September 2010
    Chrysalid wrote: »
    Yet we create our own realities. Thus the projection of our will upon those created realities can manifest in illusory results, kinda like seeing faces in clouds.

    I think that part of ego death and walking the path to being awoken is tapping into the universal consciousness, thus giving us some level of control over our reality.(I use reality loosely. Reality is a confusing term to me recently)
  • de_void_of_meaningde_void_of_meaning
    edited September 2010
    Just some observations which may just be coincidence:
    Tsuenami after September the 11th.
    Earth Quakes that happened in China after recent conflict between Chinese and Tibetans.
    These are perhaps all coincidences. Although I see them as a possible reactions.
    No offense meant towards anyone.
    Just a theory.
  • TheJourneyTheJourney
    edited September 2010
    de_void_of_meaning wrote: »
    Just some observations which may just be coincidence:
    Tsuenami after September the 11th.
    Earth Quakes that happened in China after recent conflict between Chinese and Tibetans.
    These are perhaps all coincidences. Although I see them as a possible reactions.
    No offense meant towards anyone.
    Just a theory.

    Perhaps this is why figures like the dalai lama are so optimistic. Optimism breeds good fortune.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited September 2010
    Ok people I want to go sledding tomorrow. Everybody think SNOW
  • sukhitasukhita
    edited September 2010
    And then there is the aspect of magic and supernatural powers attained in Buddhist meditation and practice. Not sure if this is relevant to the OP.
  • de_void_of_meaningde_void_of_meaning
    edited September 2010
    I have heard of this.
    Wasn't sure if it was something inherited from Taoism.
    Although, I know that Tibetan has many layman traditions that predate Buddhism that include Tibetan Shamanism.
  • de_void_of_meaningde_void_of_meaning
    edited September 2010
    http://www.jcrows.com/reynoldsshaman.html

    Interesting that most ancient cultures are very similar in nature.
    Tibetan
    Native American
    Aboriginay
    African JuJu
    All share similarities
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    edited September 2010
    there was a study conducted in 1993 in washington d.c. where they found that having a large number of people doing different forms of meditation/chanting/positive thinking had an effect on violent crimes. actually, it lowered it by 23%...

    http://istpp.org/crime_prevention/

    crazy? maybe...
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited September 2010
    zombiegirl wrote: »
    there was a study conducted in 1993...

    I have heard of this study. Perhaps the reason the crime rate went down was because the people who were busy meditating were also the ones normally responsible for the crimes!

    Just kidding, us meditators are all very nice people. :D
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    edited September 2010
    I read a report or saw something in a video where a monk, I cannot remember buddhist or what religion, but they blessed this cup of water and the molecules changed, I don't know this is a very vague and bad description of what happened, I will try and find the source.

    Don't we all create the universe around us? Do we not paint our version of reality within our own mind..
    Physics suggests that consciousness is the fabric of the universe, without it there would be nothing :/
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    edited September 2010
    Here is a better description of what took place. I am not saying I believe this to be true, it just fits in with this subject quite nicely..

    http://thespiritguide.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/the-manifestation-experiment/
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited September 2010
    I have also heard of what you are talking about Tom. Actually I heard about both the blessed water molecules and the meditation/crime rate study from the same source: What The Bleep Do We Know (long version)...(short version)

    Recommended viewing for anyone who is interested the way the mind influences the physical world. The film also mentions the "Double Slit Experiment" which is particularly interesting. This describes how particles behave like waves when unobserved and like particles when observed.
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    edited September 2010
    I have heard of that experiment being done, is that when they fire particles and they appear in more than one position. I have forgotten the details, my memory seems to be slipping away from me :( It is very interesting though, I believe that we do in fact have a strong affect on the world around us with our mind. IF the water molecule experiment is legit, then imagine what affect we have on our own bodies if we are 80 or so percent water... crap, I better go and meditate some more!! :O
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    edited September 2010
    ThailandTom wrote: »
    Here is a better description of what took place. I am not saying I believe this to be true, it just fits in with this subject quite nicely..

    http://thespiritguide.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/the-manifestation-experiment/

    hey tom, my mom owns this book:

    http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Messages-Water-Masaru-Emoto/dp/0743289803/ref=pd_sim_b_1

    which is exactly what you are describing. it's interesting, at the very least. they have images of the different water crystals formed under different stimulants, good and bad. why the ones that were labeled with anger like, "i hate you" always look disjointed and distraught, i could not tell you.
  • de_void_of_meaningde_void_of_meaning
    edited September 2010
    zombiegirl wrote: »
    there was a study conducted in 1993 in washington d.c. where they found that having a large number of people doing different forms of meditation/chanting/positive thinking had an effect on violent crimes. actually, it lowered it by 23%...
    http://istpp.org/crime_prevention/
    crazy? maybe...

    For sure. I believe that it is possible that as we have a physical plane of existence that is made up of component parts, varying in density, which is intrinsically connected, that we also have a "thought" plane of existence that is similar in nature to that of the physical plane,
    although instead of having physical molecules it has the equivalent "thought" component parts to make up this plane of existence.

    (Perhaps this "thought" energy explains the nature of "black Matter", the elusive material that makes up the atom).

    I also believe that it is possible for both these planes of existence to be intrinsically linked, with one effecting the other.

    This certainly would explain how such phenomena works.
    But alas, this is just an unproven theory.
    Although I would not be surprised to learn that the earth, its inhabitants, perhaps even the universe, are all parts of one magnificent and glorious entity.
    With one aspect's of the entity actions effecting the others.

    :crazy:
  • de_void_of_meaningde_void_of_meaning
    edited September 2010
    i-want-to-believe.jpg
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    edited September 2010
    hey tom, my mom owns this book:

    http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Message...ref=pd_sim_b_1

    which is exactly what you are describing. it's interesting, at the very least. they have images of the different water crystals formed under different stimulants, good and bad. why the ones that were labeled with anger like, "i hate you" always look disjointed and distraught, i could not tell you.

    Yes I watched a documentary quite some time ago and remember hearing of this experiment on there. I must admit, I am a bit unsure on the validity of these findings. The water molecules appear to be frozen... It would be very easy to just get an image of frozen water molecules and say this has been a direct response to the blessings and positive words. But who knows...

    I think the other experiment about the mass meditation and crime level drop to be more believable. I had also heard of this before and had forgotten until you brought it up actually. Interesting stuff.
  • upekkaupekka Veteran
    edited September 2010
    de_void_of_meaning wrote: »
    collective thoughts having an effect on the weather.
    there is a truth in this
    but do not ask for the references, please

    bad thoughts, deeds and words would affect the environment in negative way, not only collectively but individually too
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    edited September 2010
    I also heard ajahn brahm once say that merely thinking of hurting somebody or being angry at them is just as bad for the mind and karma as going about doing such an act as punching them in the face or shouting at them... He often says, 'I have been in this game long enough, I know how the mind works''. he suggests that the mind actually has a negative affect on the body even to think hurtful things
  • thickpaperthickpaper Veteran
    edited September 2010
    Interesting OP!

    If it was possible someone would have probably won James Randi challenge and made a million bucks from it because it would surely be classed as paranpormal?

    http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

    Hmmm
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited September 2010
    Maybe the reason James Randi's challenge hasn't been beaten is because the people with the really impressive psychic powers are all wearing robes, so they aren't interested in any prize money. :P
  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited September 2010
    Ok. It's time to come clean. I can, when in deep samadhi, direct a beam of chi at someone and make his head explode. I did it once at a sitting when this guy across from me kept making little grunting noises. The whole episode was.... disruptive... to say the least, and I felt awful......

    oh... it also works through the internet.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited September 2010
    :: puts up chi shield ::

    :: jamming signal up ::

    :: releases biotic suggestion to eat a pickle and marshmallow tuna melt ::
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Richard H wrote: »
    oh... it also works through the internet.

    :type: -> :eek: -> :hair: -> :rarr:
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