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golden age of enlightenment

ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
edited October 2010 in Buddhism Basics
I was speaking to my mother last night on the internet and one of my ex girl friends who happens to still be very close to my mother and a good friend of hers had spoken of a feeling she has had recently. She feels as if something very bad will happen soon and people need to prepare for it. So I emailed her and said that she should not not focus so much on the future and worry herself with these silly thoughts.

Anyway, I was still speaking to mum and she then went on to say something that made me think ponder some what. Mu mum is a teacher and the librarian at her school is a good friend of hers and is a very spiritual person. Her and her husband are both spiritual and have been involved with many matters that I do not know the details of. My mother said that quite a while ago a buddhist monk came to the UK that the librarian was in contact with, he came to look around at a variety of healing centres. He apparently told her that come 2012 there will be a 'golden age of enlightenment' and those who fully accept it will be okay but everyone else will die..

I have thought about it and tried to understand what he meant by this and if it is valid in any way shape or form. I know my mother wouldn't make it up and neither would the librarian, but I wonder if anybody else has heard of this event??...

Comments

  • edited September 2010
    Isn't 2012 when the Mayan calendar ends? That's the only 'everyone is gonna die' scenario I have heard of for that year although I am sure there are many more doomsday scenarios floating around for every year.
  • Invincible_summerInvincible_summer Heavy Metal Dhamma We(s)t coast, Canada Veteran
    edited September 2010
    Are you referring to this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBd48GqWcb4

    And not to say your mother or her friend are lying, but it really sounds like one of those "Friend of a friend told me..." things
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    edited September 2010
    I have spoken to this librarian on several occasions and she is a very down to earth and warm/honest person. My mum knows very little about buddhism and what she said didn't sound like something she could just make up, or get wrong in translation. The monk specifically mentioned people accepting it and being okay and people who don't will simply die lol...
  • edited October 2010
    Are you referring to this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBd48GqWcb4

    And not to say your mother or her friend are lying, but it really sounds like one of those "Friend of a friend told me..." things

    Interesting video. I already don't know what to think of 2012, and now the fact that there's a hindu prophecy about it makes me think about it even more. Although I can only imagine that any change will be a positive one, as we're certainly starving spiritually.
  • mugzymugzy Veteran
    edited October 2010
    username_5 wrote: »
    Isn't 2012 when the Mayan calendar ends? That's the only 'everyone is gonna die' scenario I have heard of for that year although I am sure there are many more doomsday scenarios floating around for every year.

    My calendar only goes until Dec 31 2010, so I guess that's the end ;)
  • nanadhajananadhaja Veteran
    edited October 2010
    There have been so many end of the world prophesies and they have all passed us by.I guess one day it may come true,but most of the talk these days is based upon the Mayan calander which has proven correct on many instances.
    The problem is that the Mayan world was actually quite small.
    So if your really worried then maybe cancel your holiday plans to Latin America.
    Alternatively continue in your meditation practice.If the world ends suddenly and you are meditating you could be instantainiously reborn in a deva realm in a meditation pose and attain enlightenment.Now thats what I call the end of the world.
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited October 2010
    I have heard of the Mayan calendar and many of the various speculative theories about what's going to happen. Some say we're all going to die, some say we'll meet aliens, some say that it will be business as usual (most probable, in my opinion). Whatever the case, none of these theories, as far as I know, have anything to do with Buddhism and even if they were true they probably wouldn't affect our practice.

    Scenario 1: Let's say that in theory the world will end on Dec 21st 2012...does that in any way, shape or form change our practice of the Noble Eightfold Path? Perhaps it will increase our sense of urgency, but how is this any different from reflecting on death (Maranassati). The Buddha teaches us to comtemplate the possibility that we could die at any moment, it could be tomorrow or even today or even our next in-breath or out-breath...let alone 2 years down the track. So if we are already contemplating Maranassati, even if the world will end in 2012, this should not change our practice.

    Scenario 2: Aliens. Cool. But they are probably sentient beings too. So they are sill subject to suffering like us. Who knows, maybe some of them will take up Dhamma practice (if they haven't already). Maybe the aliens will be robotic. Whether they are robotic or sentient, our practice remains the same.

    Scenario 3: No major changes. Then our practice remains the same.
  • ShiftPlusOneShiftPlusOne Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Why does it matter? People think all kinds of things. There are very intelligent people who believe in very foolish things. That doesn't make them foolish, but people do make mistakes.

    So... don't worry about these theories.
  • seeker242seeker242 Zen Florida, USA Veteran
    edited October 2010
    mugzy wrote: »
    My calendar only goes until Dec 31 2010, so I guess that's the end ;)

    The office supply store has new ones, no worries. :lol:
  • nanadhajananadhaja Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Heres a thought.Sorry but my mind has these weird things going through it from time to time.
    Whats going to happen to all those people who
    1-Believe that this will 100% happen
    2-Celebrate christmas but decide not to get there children etc presents
    3-Tell the boss what they really think of him/her.
    This could be the end of the world as they know it:banghead:
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    edited October 2010
    I really did not wish for this thread to turn into a stupid little discussion about the 2012 prophecy, the words I speak of came from a buddhist monk and he did not speak of a doomsday, rather a golden age of enlightenment for those who accept it. I have heard and read too much about the 2012 bullshit to last a life time as it is, I am not worried/curious or concerned about that, I was just curious about this so called golden age of enlightenment. But I cannot control the thread, so it is what it is :p
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited October 2010
    goingforth wrote: »
    This could be the end of the world as they know it:banghead:
    LOL I doubt anyone thinks it will happen 100%...even the youtube users who put up scary videos with dramatic music are probably only 99% sure.
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Thailand Tom, as far as I know, the Buddha never taught anything such as a "Golden Age of Enlightenment". Even if these words came from someone wearing a monks robe, I doubt they came from a Buddha. But I am prepared to be proven wrong if anyone can find any Sutta references.
  • robotrobot Veteran
    edited October 2010
    As near as I can tell we are living in the golden age of enlightenment. Buddha's teachings are more widely available than at any other time in history. Anyone can walk into a meditation center with out much difficulty. Bookshelves are full of material from realized teachers. One could spend all day in front of the computer and not scratch the surface of the material here.-P
  • edited October 2010
    This "golden age" of enlightenment sounds suspicously like the Hindu Golden Age.
    And in my opinion, the Buddhist Monk that spoke to your mother sounds suspiciously like a Hare Krsna Devotee.

    In my experience, Hare Krsna Devotee's tell people that they are Buddhist Monks in order to give them selves credability. As most people are open to Buddhism, while many find the Hare Krsna's to be less than appealing.

    The reasoning while Hare Krsna's feel that it is acceptable to portray themselves as Buddhist Monks is this:

    They believe that all sucessful Gods / Phrophets / Spiritual Leaders from the beggining of time are incarnations of one of their Gods / Demi-Gods or spiritual scolars.

    There fore, they see the historical Buddha as simply an incarnation of one of their Demi-Gods or Spiritual Leaders.
    The explanation I was given for this was that the Demi-God / spiritual leader was reincarnated with the specific intention of preaching vegaterianism as during that time, the practice of sacrificing and eating meat was very popular.

    In my experience, Hare Krsna religion is full of Dogmatic delusional beliefs, which are followed blindly by many and manipulated by the unscrupulous.

    Mind you, in the past, there has been a Golden Age of Buddhism in other countries such as China.
    So, perhaps there will be a Golden Age in the West, where Buddhism will become the new Popular religion of choice?

    I really couldn't say. However, I know this much, it will take some doing to convert the rest of the worlds religious nuts, as some of them, there is no budging, no matter how good you are at explaining or showing the flaws of their religious thinking.

    Being married to a Jehovah Witness for a while at least taught me this much.
    In some circumstances their is no winning, even if you win. Some people simply are not open minded enough to attain such realizations.
  • edited October 2010
    This "golden age" of enlightenment sounds suspicously like the Hindu Golden Age. ........

    Yes....
    Mayan Prophecy Matches Hindu Prophecy

    It is amazing that both calendars began at about the same time over 5,000 years ago and both calendars predict a totally new world and/or golden age after about 5,000 years into their calendars! We are definitely on to something with these Mayan and Hindu 2012 predictions. Historically, this is an amazing fact since these two ancient cultures did not have any contact.

    As far as I'm concerned, come 21 December 2012, it will be business as usual. :)<!--/gc-->
  • edited October 2010
    For sure. Business as usual. Take it as it comes. No dogmatic beliefs.
    That reminds me,
    The Jehovah Witnesses are another group famous for their "End of the World" predictions. They have been around for a hundred or so years and various members have made "exact" predictions for the "end of this system" and the second coming of
    Christ.

    When one date expired with no noticable difference, someone else worked out another date a decade or so in the future.
    One such date was in the 1970's.

    Some Jehovah Witnesses were so convinced that the end of the world was near that they sold all their possessions and went out and blew all their cash. Others got big mortgages on their house and blew all the money, thinking that it wouldn't matter as the end of the world was almost here.

    When the end of the world did not happen, they found themselves in a right mess.

    After several failed predictions, the Jehovah witness elite, considered as the "annointed" who, when the end of the world comes will be appointed in Heaven to rule over mankind who live on earth, decided that Jesus did make a come back, although he has done so invisibly....from heaven..hmmm.

    Quiet an iteresting observation that one. Unfortunately this invisible theory only works for these mystical "annointed", as I am sure if I went into a Jehovah Witness shop with a bag full of invisible money (given to me by an invisible Jesus) that they would not be too keen to sell me any products.

    :-)

    But as Dogma goes, there are not many more dogmatic than the Jehovah Witnesses.

    Some trip that one dude. Or perhaps should I say bad trip.
    Lucky the Jehovah Witnesses aren't violent terrorists, as many of them would be blewing up everything left right and center no questions asked.
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