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Saw magic?

iikiiiikii
edited October 2010 in Buddhism Basics
Did anyone here experience seeing 'magic' after realizing that "i" don't exist?

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  • shenpennangwashenpennangwa
    edited October 2010
    only once, when i took a lot of ketamine.
  • SherabDorjeSherabDorje
    edited October 2010
    shenpen nangwa wrote: »
    only once, when i took a lot of ketamine.

    LOL:lol:
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited October 2010
    ....."i don't exists'...?

    grammar.....!:rolleyes: :D

    If it was magic, I rather fear it was a mental construct fuelled by attachment....
  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited October 2010
    I do exist and that's the real magic. Dick Herman, here in Toronto, doing laundry . You exist too, and if I came at you with a big stick you would defend that existence.
  • seeker242seeker242 Zen Florida, USA Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Everything is magical, including eating breakfast and going to the bathroom, just as long as you are not out of paper...
  • upekkaupekka Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Richard H wrote: »
    You exist too, and if I came at you with a big stick you would defend that existence.

    thank you Richard, for making me laugh in the morning
  • DazzleDazzle
    edited October 2010
    iikii wrote: »
    Did anyone here experience seeing 'magic' after realizing that "i" don't exists?


    Yes indeed...and here's a photo of the moment of my transformation, when seeing and realising just that!


    Wizard.gif



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  • questionfulquestionful
    edited October 2010
    OP, i suggest you explain what you mean by "magic".
    Richard H wrote: »
    I do exist and that's the real magic. Dick Herman, here in Toronto, doing laundry . You exist too, and if I came at you with a big stick you would defend that existence.
    Before your parents said "Let's call him Richard", who were you? Not Dick Herman. You are not "Dick Herman", that's just what people call you and your body! What are you?? If you moved your body in such a way that it would mess up someone else's body (grabbing a stick and swinging it towards the skull), they would move their body so as to try to avoid the harm, but that doesn't mean that the two sentient beings involved are the two bodies. There is definitely some relation between each sentient being and its body, but it is unclear to me, and I don't think that "I" am only the body that I sense from the inside.
  • pineblossompineblossom Veteran
    edited October 2010
    iikii wrote: »
    Did anyone here experience seeing 'magic' after realizing that "i" don't exists?

    There is nothing 'magic' about Buddhism. It is just another illusion.
  • MountainsMountains Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Richard H wrote: »
    I do exist

    How do you know, and are you sure?
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited October 2010
    what does existence mean?
  • PietroPumokinPietroPumokin
    edited October 2010
    how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? IS THERE A BUDDHA WAITING FOR ME THERE??

    sorry COULDN'T HELP MYSELF HA Ha HA
  • PietroPumokinPietroPumokin
    edited October 2010
    OH WAiat seriously yeah see when you dissolve an I it can be pretty magical and well I've seen and thought up magic plenty of times not knowing whether it is real or not but yeah the deeper you get into your practice the more magical ordinary life can become i think well at least this is sort of what direction i am wanting to be going towards , the magical and the miraculous are two of the same things and the imagination especially is very miraculous and magical and the more you exercise that which should come of buddhist training naturally the more this nature manifests itself and you see reality as it is or wants to be or at least you are shown something mysterious and vdery elusive but something fantabulous and extraordinary because why should life be anything less than extraordinary?
  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited October 2010
    questionful wrote: »
    OP, i suggest you explain what you mean by "magic".


    Before your parents said "Let's call him Richard", who were you? Not Dick Herman. You are not "Dick Herman", that's just what people call you and your body! What are you?? If you moved your body in such a way that it would mess up someone else's body (grabbing a stick and swinging it towards the skull), they would move their body so as to try to avoid the harm, but that doesn't mean that the two sentient beings involved are the two bodies. There is definitely some relation between each sentient being and its body, but it is unclear to me, and I don't think that "I" am only the body that I sense from the inside.
    "I am Dick" belongs to the world. The world is all alone.
  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Mountains wrote: »
    How do you know, and are you sure?
    Here is my bank account number **** **** ****. My wife likes ice cream in a dish, I like ice cream in a waffle cone. Please dont hit me with a stick.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited October 2010
    I like ice cream in a big waffle cone. So I hope I will get a big scoop :p
  • andyrobynandyrobyn Veteran
    edited October 2010
    shenpen nangwa wrote: »
    only once, when i took a lot of ketamine.

    lol.

    :om: - beam me up Scotty -:om:
  • iikiiiikii
    edited October 2010
    Well, Eckhart tolle and dalai lama mentioned about seeing everything like magic when they realised about the self and the mind. I too experience that a few months ago. The "magic" is actually experiencing the non-conceptual reality which is what buddha called, the ultimate reality.

    From the responses, i guess that most of you haven't experience that therefore will not know what I am talking or you all just like to joke around..lol

    It is pretty easy to get misunderstood and also hard to be accepted by everyone of what i said by "I" don't exist. :rolleyes:
  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited October 2010
    I'll guess you do not practice with Sangha support under the guidance of a teacher. There is nothing wrong with that, except if you practice in Sangha with others you will know that such experiences are no big deal, and the notion of having speacial insight is incorrect. One Theravadin teacher calls this "thinking you're a special case". It is best to take these insights to a teacher, Theravada, Zen, or Tibetan. Then cultivate an ongoing relationship with the Sangha. It will put everything on proportion.
  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Jeffrey wrote: »
    I like ice cream in a big waffle cone. So I hope I will get a big scoop :p
    ooooh waffle cones with creme brule gelato. Not a good idea maybe.. there is total loss of mindfulness. The eyes role back......and before I know it, the cone is gone. :(
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Richard H wrote: »
    I do exist and that's the real magic. Dick Herman, here in Toronto, doing laundry . You exist too, and if I came at you with a big stick you would defend that existence.

    I'd sit there and take it like a zenny. ;)
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    edited October 2010
    only once, when i took a lot of ketamine.
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    hahaha, personally I would say twisted rather than magical. That stuff is all kinds of messed up
  • andyrobynandyrobyn Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Ketamine is a very useful drug in the right context - it was originally developed for use in general anaesthetics, and has also been succesfully used in palliative care and as pain relief via infusion in chronic pain conditions - visual and auditory hallucinations are an effect also and it impairs all senses. It became popular for a time and remember reading articles written about it's psychonautic use.
  • iikiiiikii
    edited October 2010
    Richard H wrote: »
    I'll guess you do not practice with Sangha support under the guidance of a teacher. There is nothing wrong with that, except if you practice in Sangha with others you will know that such experiences are no big deal, and the notion of having speacial insight is incorrect. One Theravadin teacher calls this "thinking you're a special case". It is best to take these insights to a teacher, Theravada, Zen, or Tibetan. Then cultivate an ongoing relationship with the Sangha. It will put everything on proportion.

    I have no idea of what is sangha support is so i do a little research.

    "The Sangha, are like other travellers on the same spiritual path, but we need their help like nurses with the correct medicine of good advice. They are our spiritual friends who can help us stay on the right path and can share their own experience."

    I don't really understand how my experience is related to sangha. Perhaps you can share and descibe your own experience so i can understand more.

    I have no intention of being special & this experience is a big deal to me:D.
  • robotrobot Veteran
    edited October 2010
    The psychiatrist I was seeing used ketamine in his treatment during what he called medicated nurturing sessions. Pretty hard to explain. His method was based on the notion that many neurosis date back to inadequate nurturing by one or both parents. He would inject the ketamine then then the patient would lay and be cradled in his lap or the lap of a female assistant depending on what he was trying to achieve. We also had sessions without the drug but I preferred the medicated ones. The experience was usually pretty interesting and it probably worked. Needless to say this method was is considered way out there by the college but an investigation by them cleared it him to continue with it.-P ps-I saw magic
  • TheJourneyTheJourney
    edited October 2010
    I think we can all agree that who most people would call "you" is not really "you" as it's kinda a basic tenet of buddhism. not self. As far as thinking you're seeing the ultimate reality, I think it's an illusion. I've fallen to this trap before, multiple times, too. I have this life changing experience where my entire world changes. I stop and think "this must be it. I'm finally in the ultimate reality." The truth is, i'm still subject to illusions. If I haven't achieved full enlightenment then i'm still subject to illusions. The dharma is the key to not being affected by these illusions.

    For the record, I have trouble with thinking i'm special too. There seems to be some level of spiritual knowledge that certain people have that I am among. I can sense it among others. I don't know what it is, though, it's just that certain people have it.(to varying degrees) You don't even have to be buddhist to have this knowledge/quality.
  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited October 2010
    iikii wrote: »
    I have no idea of what is sangha support is so i do a little research.

    "The Sangha, are like other travelers on the same spiritual path, but we need their help like nurses with the correct medicine of good advice. They are our spiritual friends who can help us stay on the right path and can share their own experience."

    I don't really understand how my experience is related to sangha. Perhaps you can share and describe your own experience so i can understand more.

    I have no intention of being special & this experience is a big deal to me:D.
    Sure, and I'm sorry for being all jokey. The OP touches certain themes that come up commonly in Practice. Perception of the absence of an experiencer is a big deal, when the sense of being an experiencer is all we have known. Words like kensho, and Enlightenment come to mind, and if we are surrounded by folks who never even consider such an insight, it can be quite heady. Such insights are a good signal to seek out a community of practitioners, who are grounded in a clear mature tradition. Sharing the discipline of practice with others, and sharing a common approach to going where these insights lead, is a very life changing and positive choice. I, like most other people, read much from different traditions, and had insights, but it became clear that having insights would not solve the problem of suffering. That would involve a commitment to meditation practice supported by the form and fellowship of others with the same insight. That was some time ago now and the result is best measured in how I live my life. I'm no saint, but I am surprisingly sane, free of much mental suffering, and the suffering that does arise is dropped and forgotten quickly. I am a better husband ,father, brother, son, and dog owner. The basic tone of mind is an absence of fear, and being at home in the endless maintenance of the world.
  • robotrobot Veteran
    edited October 2010
    If you have had an 'enlightenment experience' or a 'realization of suchness', or whatever, you should probably take Richards advice and talk to a teacher about it if you need to have it explained to you. Trying to talk about it here sets off a stream of gibberish that could go on for days. Those type of experiences don't translate into words at all.-P
  • TheJourneyTheJourney
    edited October 2010
    robot wrote: »
    If you have had an 'enlightenment experience' or a 'realization of suchness', or whatever, you should probably take Richards advice and talk to a teacher about it if you need to have it explained to you. Trying to talk about it here sets off a stream of gibberish that could go on for days. Those type of experiences don't translate into words at all.-P

    Very true. I ended up in a mental crisis unit due to an enlightenment experience partially cuz of my desire to share what I had learned. Seriously. I wrote 20,000 words on it in 1 day. I'm still trying to figure everything out, this being a few weeks maybe a month later.
  • iikiiiikii
    edited October 2010
    I don't really claim that experience as enlightenment but rather become awake to how delusional my mind is.

    Perhaps i shouldn't use magic to describe it. I will say that it is as if i am seeing the world for the first time and that lasted for several weeks.
  • andyrobynandyrobyn Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Richard H wrote: »
    Sure, and I'm sorry for being all jokey. The OP touches certain themes that come up commonly in Practice. Perception of the absence of an experiencer is a big deal, when the sense of being an experiencer is all we have known. Words like kensho, and Enlightenment come to mind, and if we are surrounded by folks who never even consider such an insight, it can be quite heady. Such insights are a good signal to seek out a community of practitioners, who are grounded in a clear mature tradition. Sharing the discipline of practice with others, and sharing a common approach to going where these insights lead, is a very life changing and positive choice. I, like most other people, read much from different traditions, and had insights, but it became clear that having insights would not solve the problem of suffering. That would involve a commitment to meditation practice supported by the form and fellowship of others with the same insight. That was some time ago now and the result is best measured in how I live my life. I'm no saint, but I am surprisingly sane, free of much mental suffering, and the suffering that does arise is dropped and forgotten quickly. I am a better husband ,father, brother, son, and dog owner. The basic tone of mind is an absence of fear, and being at home in the endless maintenance of the world.

    :thumbsup:

    Good posting, have nothing can add to this.
  • pineblossompineblossom Veteran
    edited October 2010
    iikii wrote: »
    I don't really claim that experience as enlightenment but rather become awake to how delusional my mind is.

    Perhaps i shouldn't use magic to describe it. I will say that it is as if i am seeing the world for the first time and that lasted for several weeks.

    Wisdom realizing the absence of inherent existence is necessary to escape cyclic existence.

    Having understood as much your motivation may to release yourself or others.

    While we may like to think that we cultivate purely altruistic motives we are constrained by obscurations and at best we can help ourselves and perhaps be of some benefit to others.

    We may, at times, experience the world as inherently non-existent we cannot hold that level of concentration for any length of time. Only Buddhas have the ability to directly realize emptiness while viewing objects and cognizing both simultaneously.
  • iikiiiikii
    edited October 2010
    Thanks for the responses. Learnt something :D
  • questionfulquestionful
    edited October 2010
    reality compared to reality is completely normal. reality compared to nothing is BIZZARE. You wanna escape the conditioned mine for a little bit and see BIZZARRE? Smoke a little salvia. I can't capitalize BIZZARRE enough...
  • TheJourneyTheJourney
    edited October 2010
    questionful wrote: »
    reality compared to reality is completely normal. reality compared to nothing is BIZZARE. You wanna escape the conditioned mine for a little bit and see BIZZARRE? Smoke a little salvia. I can't capitalize BIZZARRE enough...

    :lol:scary, in some cases. Including a time with me.
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