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edited October 2010 in Buddhism Basics
I found a meditation center in Boston on line that charges $135 for a beginners meditation class. Does that sound reasonable?
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  • ZaylZayl Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Is it not possible to go to a monastery and learn there? and wouldn't the monastery be cheaper (even free?)
  • MountainsMountains Veteran
    edited October 2010
    I'd be careful of anyone asking that kind of money. Look around. You'll probably find something either free or a lot cheaper. Especially in a city the size of Boston. Surely there are multiple Buddhist centers in the area?
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Yea you should look around because I would suggest the places that accept donations and not upfront money, especially that amount of money you stated.
  • edited October 2010
    I found a meditation center in Boston on line that charges $135 for a beginners meditation class. Does that sound reasonable?

    No.
  • ShiftPlusOneShiftPlusOne Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Heh, when I was looking at retreats that run for a couple of weeks, I saw some very interesting prices.

    Anywhere from donation-based to $3000 (from memory). Oddly enough some of the really expensive ones don't even provide accommodation.

    I don't have much trust in non-donation based things. There are many of Buddhist centres where you pay what you feel is right.
  • Invincible_summerInvincible_summer Heavy Metal Dhamma We(s)t coast, Canada Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Would it happen to be a certain Buddhist group that starts with an S
  • edited October 2010
    Maybe it is a full workshop that some lama/rinpoche, etc. is conducing? Maybe that's the reason for the high price (because it is not free neither cheap to organize it, specially when they come from afar).
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    edited October 2010
    When ever Dharma/Dhamma is given for money, don't take it! Real help needs no money.
    It is usual to give after you had joined, because you like that other people have the same benefit like you. Its an old tradition.
    No need to think about money! Dhamma especial Meditation should be never a question of money. Take it as a sign :-)
  • edited October 2010
    Hanzze wrote: »
    When ever Dharma/Dhamma is given for money, don't take it! Real help needs no money.
    It is usual to give after you had joined, because you like that other people have the same benefit like you. Its an old tradition.
    No need to think about money! Dhamma especial Meditation should be never a question of money. Take it as a sign :-)


    That's why some people download dharma ebooks instead of buying it.
  • B5CB5C Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Go research.

    I found this place http://www.meditateinnwwashington.org they have centers with in 20 miles of me. They are all New Kadmpa Traditions. They offer monthly memberships between 50-250 bucks a month. Classes are like 10 dollars a class or 5 bucks for those who are like me and are unemployed.

  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    edited October 2010
    mantra0 wrote: »
    That's why some people download dharma ebooks instead of buying it.

    Beware of taking what is not given :-)

    I guess that was the reason why nobody wrote down, ohhh that compassion. Always brings problems and so much environmental destruction. Killing in the name of...
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Go research.
    They offer monthly memberships between 50-250 bucks a month. Classes are like 10 dollars a class or 5 bucks for those who are like me and are unemployed.

    Ohhh that is great, are the drinks included?
  • B5CB5C Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Hanzze wrote: »
    Ohhh that is great, are the drinks included?


    I don't know yet. I haven't went there yet. :crazy:
  • nanadhajananadhaja Veteran
    edited October 2010
    To me this sounds like a lot of money,HOWEVER,it may well be a combination of reasons.If as someone else above has mentioned a teacher is being bought in from overseas this may contribute to the cost.Another thing may be the actual running costs of the center.Things like rent or mortgage payments,taxes,insurance etc may all be contributing factors or maybe it is just a case of $$$$$$.
    I would look around to see what other options are available,but as I say maybe we should not jump to conclusions as to why this charge is there.
    With metta
  • edited October 2010
    I don't see how a buddhist center can charge in the first place. Churches don't charge. It should be funded by donations imo. The only somewhat close place to me is $10 per class. I can't pay that, i'm a broke college kid lol
  • B5CB5C Veteran
    edited October 2010
    TheJourney wrote: »
    I don't see how a buddhist center can charge in the first place. Churches don't charge. It should be funded by donations imo. The only somewhat close place to me is $10 per class. I can't pay that, i'm a broke college kid lol

    They probably charge to keep the rent and support the teacher.
  • edited October 2010
    They probably charge to keep the rent and support the teacher.

    I suppose. So you can't have a teacher and be involved with the community if you don't pay? That makes me sad :(

    maybe when i get a job
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    edited October 2010
    TheJourney wrote: »
    I suppose. So you can't have a teacher and be involved with the community if you don't pay? That makes me sad :(

    maybe when i get a job
    No satisfaction without suffering :-)
    Well I guess there are some, teaching Dhamma. Don't worry!
  • Mr_SerenityMr_Serenity Veteran
    edited October 2010
    You must pay monthly fee to learn dharma, so we can buy those very nice cushions to sit on, and buy those expensive organic vegetables that are never on sale to make better food than you eat at home.
  • edited October 2010
    You must pay monthly fee to learn dharma, so we can buy those very nice cushions to sit on, and buy those expensive organic vegetables that are never on sale to make better food than you eat at home.

    Oh. Well if that's what the money's going towards I have no problem ;)
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    edited October 2010
    TheJourney wrote: »
    I suppose. So you can't have a teacher and be involved with the community if you don't pay? That makes me sad :(

    maybe when i get a job
    Its a little like true love, if you like to have it will not come. Some are paying money for it to get it.
    Dont worry, you know that you can have fun with friends also without money.
  • edited October 2010
    Hanzze wrote: »
    Its a little like true love, if you like to have it will not come. Some are paying money for it to get it.
    Dont worry, you know that you can have fun with friends also without money.

    Should all of our friends be spiritual seekers? And if so should they all be buddhist? And I understand that you love without discrimination, I just mean the people you choose to make close friends and spend significant amount of time with.
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Don't try to be "Buddhist" and don't seek for "Buddhist". It is good to stay with honest people and it is good to be honest to one self.
    As soon as you try to be something you will miss the way.
    If somebody offers you to come in, take the offer, but also prove if the purposes are honest. Look how people life. Are they harming, are they stealing, are they lying? No real friend would charge you money to come to a party. But as a noble friend your self you would not come without a gift.
    Don't believe! But trust after your deep proof.
  • edited October 2010
    And, much like the doctrine of emptiness, I can just intuitively know who I should spend my time with?
  • ZendoLord84ZendoLord84 Veteran
    edited October 2010
    spirituality is business to a lot of people. There should be cheaper/free places that offer the same.
  • seeker242seeker242 Zen Florida, USA Veteran
    edited October 2010
    TheJourney wrote: »
    I suppose. So you can't have a teacher and be involved with the community if you don't pay? That makes me sad :(

    maybe when i get a job

    Most centers I know of will make exceptions for people with little money.
    I found a meditation center in Boston on line that charges $135 for a beginners meditation class. Does that sound reasonable?

    Which center is it? That sounds like A LOT. I know of centers (zen) in and around Boston that offer free instruction.
  • edited October 2010
    seeker242 wrote: »
    Which center is it? That sounds like A LOT. I know of centers (zen) in and around Boston that offer free instruction.
    Thanks but what I'm looking for is Theravada.
  • edited October 2010
    Hanzze wrote: »
    Don't try to be "Buddhist" and don't seek for "Buddhist". It is good to stay with honest people and it is good to be honest to one self.
    As soon as you try to be something you will miss the way.
    I agree. But unless I want to end up in a yuppie commune, I need to identify myself for practical purposes.
  • edited October 2010
    Hanzze wrote: »
    Its a little like true love, if you like to have it will not come. Some are paying money for it to get it.
    Dont worry, you know that you can have fun with friends also without money.
    One does not seek dharma to have fun.
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    edited October 2010
    http://www.dhamma.org/en/bycountry/na/

    "All courses are run solely on a donation basis. All expenses are met by donations from those who, having completed a course and experienced the benefits of Vipassana, wish to give others the same opportunity. Neither the Teacher nor the assistant teachers receive remuneration; they and those who serve the courses volunteer their time. Thus Vipassana is offered free from commercialisation."



    I saw Providence is not fare, there should be many theravada pagodas situated. A lot of cambodian communities over there.
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Alfonso wrote: »
    One does not seek dharma to have fun.

    :-) are you sure?
  • zpwestonzpweston Explorer
    edited October 2010
    Two cents is all I can afford to contribute, I don't think except for previously stated reasons a place should charge. Not if the person who is teaching is a part of that center, but if a teacher from the East comes or even a visiting teacher I sort of understand some form of payment. America is expensive, I doubt that monks can go around asking for gas money in their alms bowl. So just find out why they expect that much, and see if that's the normal price for every class or what. I have found one place near where I live that charges for classes, but not for open meditation, but another place just down the street doesn't charge for anything, even if a high teacher comes. They just ask for donations, which to me seems more reasonable, and I would probably give 135 dollars if I had it, if it was in the form of donation. Not in a preset price. I think it's the idea of helping another person or group and not just paying for teacher to some group. It seems a little capitalist to me, like Dharma is a product and we all will be much happier after paying for the teaching.
  • edited October 2010
    Hanzze wrote: »
    http://www.dhamma.org/en/bycountry/na/
    I saw Providence is not fare, there should be many theravada pagodas situated. A lot of cambodian communities over there.
    Thanks. I'll look there.
  • edited October 2010
    Thanks but what I'm looking for is Theravada.

    Cambridge Insight is really nice.
    Larry Rosenberg is pretty fantastic.
  • edited October 2010
    Hanzze wrote: »
    :-) are you sure?
    Yes. I seek to follow the eightfold noble path... and that can be pretty boring sometimes. It is not fun to be sitting cross-legged 2 hours with dumb face and the back and legs hurting like hell for the seventh day in a row, while "trying" to be on rigpa and really not comprehending what the.... is the lama speaking of. Very complex and certainly not fun.
    Bodhicitta should also be in our motivation, also as one does at the end of practice: dedicating the merit. That's the meaning of practice also.
    Fun, like while doing Chöd, is just secondary to the main practice in my opinion. Sometimes I'm really bored and lazy, I prefer to play Starcraft 2 than doing a practice that my lama instructed, and going for Starcraft 2 wouldn't be correct.
  • edited October 2010
    Cambridge Insight is really nice.
    Larry Rosenberg is pretty fantastic.
    Yeah, that's the place which wants $130 for an 8 or 9 session class. They do have day-long workshops for $45 (bring your own lunch) which is more in my price range, sort of. They also have one hour drop-in for $5, but since it's 1-1/2 hours one way for me that doesn't make sense.
  • edited October 2010
    Providence has one Cambodian Vipassana temple. I called there and the person who answered spoke very little English. He did say they were open every day. Am I going to be the only English speaking person in a temple like that?
    Thanks. I'll look there.
    Hanzze wrote: »
    http://www.dhamma.org/en/bycountry/na/

    "All courses are run solely on a donation basis. All expenses are met by donations from those who, having completed a course and experienced the benefits of Vipassana, wish to give others the same opportunity. Neither the Teacher nor the assistant teachers receive remuneration; they and those who serve the courses volunteer their time. Thus Vipassana is offered free from commercialisation."



    I saw Providence is not fare, there should be many theravada pagodas situated. A lot of cambodian communities over there.
  • edited October 2010
    Alfonso wrote: »
    Yes. I seek to follow the eightfold noble path... and that can be pretty boring sometimes. It is not fun to be sitting cross-legged 2 hours with dumb face and the back and legs hurting like hell for the seventh day in a row, while "trying" to be on rigpa and really not comprehending what the.... is the lama speaking of. Very complex and certainly not fun.
    Bodhicitta should also be in our motivation, also as one does at the end of practice: dedicating the merit. That's the meaning of practice also.
    Fun, like while doing Chöd, is just secondary to the main practice in my opinion. Sometimes I'm really bored and lazy, I prefer to play Starcraft 2 than doing a practice that my lama instructed, and going for Starcraft 2 wouldn't be correct.

    I think you're imposing your own views on others. I find study and meditation and treating others well to be fun.
  • edited October 2010
    TheJourney wrote: »
    I think you're imposing your own views on others. I find study and meditation and treating others well to be fun.
    I'm not saying it is not fun. I'm just saying that in THAT case, where I was 2 hours with my back hurting, was not fun.
    I like meditating also, but that is secondary, just as that one shouldn't meditate for relaxation, neither for pleasure. Those are distractions to the main practice.
  • edited October 2010
    It's really an issue of semantics. As always, language fails to do this conversation justice. It all depends on how you define fun.
  • Mr_SerenityMr_Serenity Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Alfonso wrote: »
    Yes. I seek to follow the eightfold noble path... and that can be pretty boring sometimes. It is not fun to be sitting cross-legged 2 hours with dumb face and the back and legs hurting like hell for the seventh day in a row, while "trying" to be on rigpa and really not comprehending what the.... is the lama speaking of. Very complex and certainly not fun.
    Bodhicitta should also be in our motivation, also as one does at the end of practice: dedicating the merit. That's the meaning of practice also.
    Fun, like while doing Chöd, is just secondary to the main practice in my opinion. Sometimes I'm really bored and lazy, I prefer to play Starcraft 2 than doing a practice that my lama instructed, and going for Starcraft 2 wouldn't be correct.

    Starcraft 2 or thinking about nothing meditating? Hard choice.
  • edited October 2010
    http://www.accesstoinsight.org/

    The surroundings may change like the winds but the heart follows its own roads.

    ... if my pithy replies are ever confounding, do let me know.
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Alfonso wrote: »
    Yes. I seek to follow the eightfold noble path... and that can be pretty boring sometimes. It is not fun to be sitting cross-legged 2 hours with dumb face and the back and legs hurting like hell for the seventh day in a row, while "trying" to be on rigpa and really not comprehending what the.... is the lama speaking of. Very complex and certainly not fun.
    Bodhicitta should also be in our motivation, also as one does at the end of practice: dedicating the merit. That's the meaning of practice also.
    Fun, like while doing Chöd, is just secondary to the main practice in my opinion. Sometimes I'm really bored and lazy, I prefer to play Starcraft 2 than doing a practice that my lama instructed, and going for Starcraft 2 wouldn't be correct.
    So you are talking about your self when you say "One does not seek dharma to have fun."
    That is good! But be careful that it do not grow to a burden. We often do things to serious. You know that human selfpunishment thing. Do you think Starcraft 2 is a good idea? Without keeping precepts there will never any real benefit out of meditation. I guess it is better you focus on moral and ethic first.
    Now it is time to practice and now it is time to have fun... No, no... I guess its better if you continue to have fun and try to understand moral and ethic.
    But just a personal hint :-)
  • edited October 2010
    Hanzze wrote: »
    So you are talking about your self when you say "One does not seek dharma to have fun."
    That is good! But be careful that it do not grow to a burden. We often do things to serious. You know that human selfpunishment thing. Do you think Starcraft 2 is a good idea? Without keeping precepts there will never any real benefit out of meditation. I guess it is better you focus on moral and ethic first.
    Now it is time to practice and now it is time to have fun... No, no... I guess its better if you continue to have fun and try to understand moral and ethic.
    But just a personal hint :-)
    As I said in another post, pleasure and enjoyable feelings, etc. are secondary to the practice; if one wants to relax, then a Spa is a better idea. I'm not saying one should be stressed out, I'm talking about what one is expecting in the practice... I'm talking about EXPECTING something in the practice.
    If one feels pleasure, that's ok, if one is bored, that's also ok. Experience is experience; under the guidance of the teacher there is no problem. That's why I'm saying that one does not seek dharma to have fun, one seeks dharma to realize the 4 noble truths, to realize dharma: transformation of the mind.

    P.S.: I try to use computer games for my practice, to check my emotions.
  • edited October 2010
    Well i'm not in college right now, I can't get a job, and i'm somewhat new to where I live so don't really have a friend, so I use videogames to maintain a degree of normalcy in my existence that primarily exists of study. I live at home so I interact with my parents, do some household chores, and I try to meditate a couple times a day.(I don't have any rules as in I have to meditate at all letalone a certain amount, but a couple of meditation sessions in a day does me good)
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Alfonso wrote: »
    P.S.: I try to use computer games for my practice, to check my emotions.
    :-) do not play any more and you will learn much more about your emotions.
    I use to say similar things when I am after a cigarette ;-)

    SORRY, BACK TO TOPIC
  • edited October 2010
    Hanzze wrote: »
    :-) do not play any more and you will learn much more about your emotions.
    I use to say similar things when I am after a cigarette ;-)
    I'm not addicted to video games, neither they have addictive chemicals as cigarettes. When I take a break and enjoy one of my hobbies, as they have lots of emotions involved (when winning/loosing, being cheesed, rushed, etc.) and require lots of focus, I try to be aware of what is happening.
    Also, I'm glad you stopped smoking. :)
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    edited October 2010
    greed needs money
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Alfonso wrote: »
    Also, I'm glad you stopped smoking. :)
    No, still greedy :-) without excuse

    No money is needed to get one self liberated. It is more the opposite that leads one to the roots of suffering.
    Even there are no meditation centers for free and we have no money, we can look: What is the real need for? Is there an other way?
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    edited October 2010
    I found a nice explaining on http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/bullitt/bfaq.html#dana

    Its about Dhamma books, but there is no different to Dhamma teaching and meditation:
    <dl class="faq"><dt>Is there anything wrong with selling Dhamma books?
    What's the big deal about giving them away free of charge?
    </dt><dd>
    </dd><dd> There's nothing inherently wrong with selling Dhamma books. Indeed, many commercial publishers provide a valuable service by producing high-quality Dhamma books that are easier to find in bookstores than their free, privately printed cousins. But that accessibility comes at a steep price. A commercial publisher that lives by its bottom line is inevitably forced to make editorial choices based on what will or will not sell books. The result of this pressure is often a book that presents a watered-down version of Dhamma, a Dhamma that may sound joyous, uplifting, and pleasing, but which lacks the cutting edge of truth. It is unlikely, for example, that people would flock to the bookstore and empty their wallets to read about the Buddha's crucial teachings on renunciation, the drawbacks of sensuality, or the value of reflecting on the unattractiveness of the body. The market for people willing to spend money on this kind of truth is, alas, unprofitably small.
    </dd><dd>

    But there is another, deeper reason to think twice about selling Dhamma books. Since the Buddha's time, the teachings have traditionally been given away free of charge, passing freely from teacher to student, from friend to friend. The teachings are regarded as priceless, and have been conveyed to us across the centuries by an unbroken stream of generosity — the very foundation of all the Buddha's teachings. That tradition continues with the production of free Dhamma books. From the author, the stream flows onwards through those who give their time to editing, typesetting, and printing the book; through the donors who sponsor the printing; and through those who take care of distribution and mailing. If you are fortunate enough to receive a book borne on this stream of generosity, you learn an important lesson of Dhamma long before you even open the cover. The instant someone puts a price tag on a Dhamma book, you not only have to pay money for it, but you get a little bit less in return: you get a book that is merely about Dhamma, instead of one that is itself an example of Dhamma in action. Which one do you think has greater value?
    </dd><dd>

    So keep this in mind the next time you find yourself spending money in exchange for the Dhamma — whether it is in the form of a book, an audio tape, a CD-ROM, a Dhamma talk, a meditation class, a retreat. The old adage still applies: caveat emptor — Let the buyer beware.
    </dd></dl>
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