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it just is

edited October 2010 in Buddhism Basics
Ever since i've began my study of buddhism over and over I find this being taught, and it rings so true with me. It just is. Don't think of things in terms of what they are or are not. There just is, or is not depending on how you choose to look at it. Let it be, to quote a beatles song I really like. The answer is that there is no answer separate from anything else. Only if an answer were separate and therefore form would you be able to quantify it with words. So there simply is. Others help me to get there, and I can help others to get there,(of course you understand when I say me and others i'm simply speaking of the illusory concepts and division which have no true basis) but there's nothing I can utter which is what it is. It simply is, and all other than what there is is an illusion, because there is form or no-form, which is an illusion. There simply is.

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  • edited October 2010
    all "things" speak of of what is. A buddha is a representation of what is, but since it's a representation and thus has form it too is illusory.
  • nanadhajananadhaja Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Another way that I see it is-"Its not sure"
  • edited October 2010
    I can't help but feel that all conversations about the truth are laughable in their attempts. Words don't even begin to describe.

    Also, I realize that everything feeds into samsara. "I" am a product of samsara, and as such anything which I do or say feeds into samsara.
  • edited October 2010
    "

    The leaves fall gently
    onto the brown earth

    "

    (got it?)
  • edited October 2010
    mantra0 wrote: »
    "

    The leaves fall gently
    onto the brown earth

    "

    (got it?)

    I do not :(
  • edited October 2010
    it's in front of you as it is.
    why still need analyzing?
  • edited October 2010
    mantra0 wrote: »
    it's in front of you as it is.
    why still need analyzing?

    so just accept?
  • edited October 2010
    :-)
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    edited October 2010
    :-)
  • edited October 2010
    Hanzze wrote: »
    :-)



    yup.... right.
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    edited October 2010
    ups, its going wrong again haha
  • edited October 2010
    For you or for us or for me? :confused:
  • edited October 2010
    :-)

    *bell sounds*
  • edited October 2010
    i'm so confused lol
  • edited October 2010
    Yet again I need to just let it be...right? Ah the same question keeps popping up it's inevitable should I try to answer or just ignore it?
  • edited October 2010
    TheJourney wrote: »
    i'm so confused lol

    so simple and straight forward direct perceiving
    But people try to grasp it with conceptual, logic, argue-mental, words, labels etc. and end up failing to grasp it. They end up calling it "deep".

    the leaves fall in front of you.
    It's just as it is.

    Grasping the falling leaves by writing a thesis report about only make it intangible. Just see it... fall... as it is....
    no words...


    :-)

    *bell sound*

    *incense smoke arises*
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    edited October 2010
    :cheer:
  • edited October 2010
    I understand. :) But when you speak of what people tend to do with this, are you referring to all people or specifically people who have gotten to a certain point?
  • edited October 2010
    Imagine human beings never invent language and words.

    when they see a leaf falls,
    they see it as it is as it just is as how the eyes see

    when human constantly think of words and ideas...

    they see a leaf falls.

    they perceive in their head "the leaf fall. the philosophy or idea is..... I think ....."
    instead of just perceiving it.

    Human is so used to language and words. it somehow cripple us a little.

    the first sentence of tao te ching says the way that is put into words is not the actual way.....
  • edited October 2010
    I think I understand, but if i'm to this point is everyone to this point? Are they to this point but they don't know it? That must be it, cuz how could I know something they don't when there is no separation. Or do they know it, but they just act like they don't for some reason? or is it some of each? ugh i'm confused lol but yet I understand better than ever
  • ShiftPlusOneShiftPlusOne Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Mantra0, you have an interesting way of making a point. I should carry a bell around just to confuse people.
  • edited October 2010
    I think it's the conceptual mind of people that make them fail to grasp things directly.
    with conceptual mind we perceive things with standard, like good/bad.
    such as good or bad leaf.

    but without conceptional bias.
    a leaf is just as it is.

    bad/good leaf comes when there's conceptual judgment.
  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited October 2010
    TheJourney wrote: »
    Yet again I need to just let it be...right?
    There is nothing to do, nowhere to go. Yet there is something to do, and somewhere to go. There are pauses in our eruptions of greed, hatred, and delusion, where everything just is. It's great to realize "suchness", and be a Buddha for a moment but...

    There is a great story that Charlotte Joko Beck tells in her book "Nothing special". It goes something like this.... one of her students comes to her and says that she was meditating that morning when the sound of a bird came through the window ..."Suddenly there was no bird, no me, ....only this".

    Joko Beck's response was "That's wonderful, but what if instead of the sound of a bird, it was the sound of someones voice finding fault with you?"
  • edited October 2010
    Mantra0, you have an interesting way of making a point. I should carry a bell around just to confuse people.

    That's exactly what zen master do.
    I recommend Zen Talk by Tsai zizhong (the name might be spelt wrongly)
  • edited October 2010
    Once you get where you experience it, how rare is it to sustain it? Because I don't want it to end. And even if I am able to sustain it, which I don't see why I wouldn't be able to at this point, that doesn't make me special because i'm just realizing that i am what we all are, which the language of that last sentence makes it sound like i'm saying that would be wrong and i'm not intending to say. damn language lol
  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited October 2010
    TheJourney wrote: »
    Once you get where you experience it, how rare is it to sustain it? Because I don't want it to end. And even if I am able to sustain it, which I don't see why I wouldn't be able to at this point, that doesn't make me special because i'm just realizing that i am what we all are, which the language of that last sentence makes it sound like i'm saying that would be wrong and i'm not intending to say. damn language lol

    It is non-grasping. It is a pause in your grasping. The habit energy of grasping, aversion, and self-view is very deep, so it is only a pause.
  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited October 2010
    There is this hard problem of greed, hatred, and delusion. And that is why there is no quick fix. There are moments of non-dukkha, suchness, or whatever you want to call it. But when your buttons get pushed...out the window suchness goes. this lessens over time, and they say enlightened people have unbroken awakeness.
  • edited October 2010
    Richard H wrote: »
    It is non-grasping. It is a pause in your grasping. The habit energy of grasping, aversion, and self-view is very deep, so it is only a pause.

    It would vary person to person though, right? I don't claim to know my karma for sure, but it's possible that I am able to pause more than others right? Not saying that's the case necessarily, I just mean hypothetically it's possible I think.
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Hanzze wrote: »
    ups, its going wrong again haha
    :-)
  • edited October 2010
    Richard H wrote: »
    There is this hard problem of greed, hatred, and delusion. And that is why there is no quick fix. There are moments of non-dukkha, suchness, or whatever you want to call it. But when your buttons get pushed...out the window suchness goes. this lessons over time, and they say enlightened people have unbroken awakeness.

    I'm so happy though with how I feel...like i've always tried to work on my faults, but I am so like pumped up to live the proper way and gain patience and happiness and serenity and wisdom. There is no greater happiness than the happiness of living life the proper way, especially with it's results.
  • edited October 2010
    Hanzze wrote: »
    :-)

    Are you saying it's not going wrong now or it's going wrong again?? haha
  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Maybe. It would be nice.
  • edited October 2010
    I can't sleep. The last time I was in this state I couldn't sleep for 4 days. And then I snapped and ended up in a mental health crisis unit. I don't believe anything like that will happen again, as I finally have a base to go off of in buddhism, still though I need to sleep. Ugh.
  • beingbeing Veteran
    edited October 2010
    just accept it. let things be as they are. count your breaths, if there's no other way to calm your mind. :)
  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited October 2010
    TheJourney wrote: »
    I can't sleep. The last time I was in this state I couldn't sleep for 4 days. And then I snapped and ended up in a mental health crisis unit. I don't believe anything like that will happen again, as I finally have a base to go off of in buddhism, still though I need to sleep. Ugh.

    Your ok. Just feel the way you feel. That is where the real peace is Journey. It isn't about feeling good or bad. It is just about allowing yourself to be whereever you are, however you feel. Breath. That is where the real practice is, it isn't about being in suchness and oneness. There are times like that. But the real practice is dealing with mental and emotional states that will arise. We deal with them by seeing them and having compassion for ourselves. "This is how I feel right now, this is how it is". Stay at home in your body and breath. Your ok.
  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Journey. It might also be a good time to take a break from reading Buddhist theory and ideas. Just be simple and mindful in your body and do something fun and non-Buddhist. Do something light and enjoyable.
    Give yourself a break from trying.
  • ZendoLord84ZendoLord84 Veteran
    edited October 2010
    it is what it is....
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