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Suffering - Discuss

edited November 2005 in Buddhism Basics
I've just got back from listening to an UrbanDharma.org podcast on my iPod while ambling around the countryside surrounding my office.
The lecture was the 1st half of an introduction to Buddhism given to a high school in LA.

One of the things the monk said that stood out was -

"Suffering is caused by not wanting the pain"

I thought I'd offer this up for discussion if any one wants to have a go

Comments

  • PalzangPalzang Veteran
    edited November 2005
    Yeah, I'd agree. It's called "the suffering of suffering." BTW, thanks for pointing out the site. It's a good one. Did you see the picture of the 11th Western Buddhist Monastic Conference? I'm the third from the left...

    Palzang
  • edited November 2005
    Perhaps:

    Suffering is caused by wanting


    Suffering is caused by not wanting
  • edited November 2005
    Palzang wrote:
    Yeah, I'd agree. It's called "the suffering of suffering." BTW, thanks for pointing out the site. It's a good one. Did you see the picture of the 11th Western Buddhist Monastic Conference? I'm the third from the left...

    Palzang


    Hi Palzang, I'm glad I discovered that site, it's got so much information on it that I don't know where to start!
    Nice photo by the way, Shasta Abbey looks lovely. I'm off to Throssel Hole for the first time next weekend for a 3 day retreat. Throssel is the OBCON Abbey in the UK so it's our equivalent to Shasta.

    Adrian
  • edited November 2005
    Perhaps:

    Suffering is caused by wanting


    Suffering is caused by not wanting


    So trying to progress this further -

    If suffering is caused by wanting
    and suffering is caused by not wanting

    Peace can only come about through inaction (or rather acceptance)
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited November 2005
    Frizzer wrote:
    One of the things the monk said that stood out was -

    "Suffering is caused by not wanting the pain"

    That's a nice one for the 'Favourite Quotations' Thread in the Lotus Lounge.
    I'd love you to please add it!
  • edited November 2005
    federica wrote:
    That's a nice one for the 'Favourite Quotations' Thread in the Lotus Lounge.
    I'd love you to please add it!


    As you asked so nicely I have added it to the quotes thread! :D
  • kinleekinlee Veteran
    edited November 2005
    You look great, Palzang! Radiant looking with much serenity. :)
    Also the article on "The Perfect Wisdom of the Heart Sutra" is very enlightening.
    I'll just paste it here, since it is relatively short - I really enjoy reading it.

    The Perfect Wisdom of the Heart Sutra

    Avalokitesvara Bodhisattva, when practicing deeply the Perfect Wisdom clearly saw that all five Skandhas are empty and passed beyond all suffering.

    Sariputra, form does not differ from emptiness: Emptiness does not differ from form. Form then is emptiness. Emptiness then is form. Sensation, perception, volition, and consciousness, are also like this.

    Sariputra, all Dharmas are marked with emptiness: not born and not dying, not stained and not pure, not gaining and not losing. Therefore, in emptiness there is no form, no sensation, perception, volition or consciousness. No eye, ear, nose, tongue, body or mind; nor form, sound, smell, taste, touch, or Dharmas; no realm of sight 'til we come to no realm of consciousness; no ignorance and no ending of ignorance, 'til we come to no old age and death, and no ending of old age and death. No suffering, origination, extinction, or path. No wisdom, and no attainment, with nothing to attain.

    Because the Bodhisattva is the Perfect Wisdom of emptiness, his mind has no hindrance. Having no hindrance, there is no fear and far from all fantasy, he is dwelling in Nirvana.

    Because all Buddhas of the three times practice the wisdom of emptiness, they gain complete and perfect enlightenment.

    Therefore know, that Perfect Wisdom, is the great holy mantram, the great bright mantram, the wisdom mantram, the unequaled mantram, which can destroy all suffering---truly real and not false. So he gave the Perfect Wisdom mantram, which goes;

    Ga te Ga te, Pa ra Ga te,
    Pa ra sam Ga te,
    Bodhi Swaha.


    Amitabha.

    Palzang wrote:
    Yeah, I'd agree. It's called "the suffering of suffering." BTW, thanks for pointing out the site. It's a good one. Did you see the picture of the 11th Western Buddhist Monastic Conference? I'm the third from the left...

    Palzang
  • PalzangPalzang Veteran
    edited November 2005
    Are you sure you were looking at the right picture?! :winkc:

    Yeah, it's a very nice site with lots of goodies. I'd particularly recommend the music by Rev. Heng Sure. He played a lot of songs for us at the conference one evening, and we had a singalong. Felt like I was back in the '60s! It made us wonder where the voices are against this unjust war. Without the draft looming over them, today's young people couldn't care less! A pity...


    Palzang
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