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Unrequited love and letting go

edited November 2010 in General Banter
I am feeling pretty stuck right now, and I am posting this here because I hope that someone might have some wise insights:

I've had a story of unrequited love with a friend of three years - he just found himself a girlfriend, which prompted me to confess my feelings to him (because I felt like I wanted to explain why I need to distance myself a bit). He seemed pretty understanding. We had this conversation mostly over email, then met once - for me, this was to get some closure and say good-bye, and we had a pretty good, open and honest conversation, but I think for him it came as a surprise that I didn't want to continue the friendship as it was and he didn't like it though he said he would respect what is best for me.

I felt much better after the conversation (which was a bit more than 2 weeks ago) and didn't get in touch with him since; he on the other hand sent me two one-liners, which I simply didn't react to. It seems just too painful to me to be in casual contact with him, and I thought I had expressed myself well on this (and made sure to point out that this is none of his fault of course, and that I wish him well with his new girlfriend), but at the same time I feel quite rude not to reply (especially because there was a question in them). Each of these short emails sent me down a negative spiral (even though they certainly weren't meant like this) and forced me to think of a reaction (no reaction being a reaction as well), and I am a bit stuck as to how to best deal with this.

It led me to the question: what does "letting go" really mean? I initially thought of not keeping in touch as a way of letting go, and it seemed to work all right as long as he remained silent as well. Now I am wondering, would the real letting go rather be to send a lame line back and just let go mentally while still being in touch? Seems more difficult to me. Am I being too radical by just wanting to cut the friendship (for the time being)?

Any opinions welcome.

Comments

  • ShiftPlusOneShiftPlusOne Veteran
    edited November 2010
    Obviously everything I am about to say is my opinion and does not reflect the opinions of others, God or Buddha. No claim is made as to the accuracy or authenticity of the content of the post. ShiftPlusOne does not accept any liability to any person for the information or advice (or the use of such information or advice) which is provided on in this post or incorporated into it by reference. The information in this post is provided on the basis that all persons accessing the post undertake responsibility for assessing the relevance and accuracy of its content. May contain traces of nuts.

    Cutting off a relationship like that is not right. Look at the situation as it is. Now look at it as you want it to be (abruptly cut off and forgotten). What you're doing is based on your idea of how the ideal situation would work out. However, reality doesn't work that way... you can't just change a couple of variables and expect the situation to change accordingly... it's still the same situation, just with a couple of variables changed. The right thing to do it so acknowledge the situation 'as is' and go from there. I am not saying make him break up with his gf, I am saying be friends. If you were friends then, there's no reason you can't be friends anymore, that's based on a false idea. However if you were friends ONLY for something more later down the line, that means the friendship was flawed to begin with.

    I am tired, I don't know if that even made sense. Good luck.
  • MountainsMountains Veteran
    edited November 2010
    What does "letting go" mean? Just that. We've *all* been through this kind of scenario. I surely know I have (more than once). It's very, very tough - you have my sympathy and loving thoughts. The pain comes from clinging - clinging to something you want but you can't have (right now). There's probably nothing anyone can say right now that's going to make you feel a whole lot better - it's just one of life's painful episodes we have to endure. And you will endure, believe me :) As for the communication, you might reply and simply say something along the lines of "I can't be in touch right now" and leave it at that. Ignoring his communication will make you feel worse, because you've now added guilt on top of your other feelings. Simply be up front with him. My guess is, if you discussed your feelings with him (which I guess you hadn't done in the past few years, eh? - why not!?!?), then he knows how you feel about him. One of the basic ideas of Buddhism is that nothing is permanent, and that might include his relationship with the other person. Not that you'll wish them ill will of course, but don't necessarily count him out just because he's with someone else at the moment. He knows how you feel about him, and there's obviously some friendship there, right? But also don't hold onto the idea of a relationship with him either. That's clinging, and that brings suffering. Just try to let things be as they are.

    Remember, the only place you can live is right now. This very moment. Not the past, not the future. Those don't exist. Only this moment exists, and you have complete control over how you feel and think and react in this moment.

    Meditate, meditate, meditate.

    Lost love isn't easy, but you'll pull through!

    Best wishes on your journey...
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited November 2010
    Mindfulness is needed.. imo....sorry I dont have time to elaborate
  • edited November 2010
    Cutting off a relationship like that is not right. Look at the situation as it is. Now look at it as you want it to be (abruptly cut off and forgotten). What you're doing is based on your idea of how the ideal situation would work out. However, reality doesn't work that way... you can't just change a couple of variables and expect the situation to change accordingly... it's still the same situation, just with a couple of variables changed. The right thing to do it so acknowledge the situation 'as is' and go from there. I am not saying make him break up with his gf, I am saying be friends. If you were friends then, there's no reason you can't be friends anymore, that's based on a false idea. However if you were friends ONLY for something more later down the line, that means the friendship was flawed to begin with.

    I am tired, I don't know if that even made sense. Good luck.

    Yes, makes sense, in a certain logic. I am not sure though that there is right or wrong here - I think the question is more what causes the least damage in the long run to everybody involved.
    You gave me something to ponder over, with the friendship maybe having been flawed to begin with. I don't think so. The friendship developed into something more for me - the potential of something more that is - and as long as there were no counter-indications, it felt all right for me to let that feeling grow (had that for the last time 6 years ago, so I was actually quite happy to be able to let myself feel that again, and it did feel like there was a real potential). Then, a variable changed (before I changed any variables!), and all of a sudden it doesn't feel all right for me at all any more to feel what I am feeling. Yet, while being in contact with this person, I cannot help but feel what I am feeling... so a change in one variable does change some other variables down the road.
    Maybe I need to re-formulate: it is not that I can't be friends any more, but the friendship maybe needs to include a period of detachment. Does that make sense?
  • edited November 2010
    Mountains wrote: »
    My guess is, if you discussed your feelings with him (which I guess you hadn't done in the past few years, eh? - why not!?!?),
    Good question... fear, I guess, and bad experiences, and never found the right time. Not sure it would have made a difference - hard to tell now in hindsight. But as you say, one can only live in the present, so let me not speculate about the what-ifs...

    Thanks for the sympathy and encouragement! Yes, it is tough like hell, and yes, I will pull through. What else is there to do anyway?
  • edited November 2010
    Jeffrey wrote: »
    Mindfulness is needed.. imo....sorry I dont have time to elaborate

    In which respect?
  • andyrobynandyrobyn Veteran
    edited November 2010
    Yes, makes sense, in a certain logic. I am not sure though that there is right or wrong here - I think the question is more what causes the least damage in the long run to everybody involved.
    You gave me something to ponder over, with the friendship maybe having been flawed to begin with. I don't think so. The friendship developed into something more for me - the potential of something more that is - and as long as there were no counter-indications, it felt all right for me to let that feeling grow (had that for the last time 6 years ago, so I was actually quite happy to be able to let myself feel that again, and it did feel like there was a real potential). Then, a variable changed (before I changed any variables!), and all of a sudden it doesn't feel all right for me at all any more to feel what I am feeling. Yet, while being in contact with this person, I cannot help but feel what I am feeling... so a change in one variable does change some other variables down the road.
    Maybe I need to re-formulate: it is not that I can't be friends any more, but the friendship maybe needs to include a period of detachment. Does that make sense?

    Yeah, it makes a lot of sense to me and I have been in a similar situation.
    The other person involved wanted to be friends and I was quite clear that it wouldn't work for me - he reacted with " what are we then - enemies? " - and I saw that he was wanting to some how have a definition for "us" now.
    For me I saw, and years later my feelings have not changed ( many other things have which impact on how I relate to the feelings ), that I would always want more than a friendship with this person - our relating and connection was like that. I explained this and he understood and told me he admired my clarity about the situation.
    The rest of my thoughts are very similar to Mountains post. We don't know what will happen in the future - and this is why saying goodbye and having any kind of closure hasn't seen possible for me in the situation.
    Love isn't always getting what we want is it - and certainly agree it isn't easy - it is what it is for me.
  • ShiftPlusOneShiftPlusOne Veteran
    edited November 2010
    I just don't like cutting people out. I see it as a little selfish. Unless the person actually brings negativity into your life, I don't think that's any reason to stop a friendship, just stop what you thought it was developing into. I mean, the guy loses a friend because that friend didn't tell him how she felt earlier, that doesn't seem fair to him.

    My opinion may be biased because my girlfriend has a habit of cutting people out of her life, some deserve it, some (in my opinion) don't. It doesn't seem to work out well for her.

    At the end of the day you've got to do what you've got to do. It's your situation, so you'd know what's going on better than some random guy on the internet would. Best of luck!
  • andyrobynandyrobyn Veteran
    edited November 2010
    I can see that angle too ShiftPlusOne ... and that every situation is different.

    Globalnomad's comment on it being about "what causes the least damage in the long run to everybody involved " was what I can relate to and what reminds me of the situation I went through.

    We were fortunate enough to be able to have the opportunity and also to have the communication to enable us to discuss all we needed to at the time and the guy knows despite me not wanting ongoing contact he could have, and could still, contact me if he needed to.

    We both had to respect and accept the choices each of had to make - and neither of us had the outcome we wanted, so I don't see it as selfish - more what was possible in the situation. Many other people ( adults and children ) were affected by the choices we made and most of those people remain unaware.

    He has gone on to marry and so I have I ( again ) since that time.
  • edited November 2010
    I agree, I don't like cutting people out either, and I don't have a habit of doing it. That's why I went to great length to explaining very openly what is going on with me and why the friendship as it is doesn't feel healthy to me right now. I didn't say, let's not be friends any more, I just said that I need some time... And now I wonder if that ever got across. I think I might be able deal more easily with a more substantial communication, and would certainly reply to that, than with a couple of one-liners, which aren't much more than a mere reminder of his existence.

    Anyway, you strangers on the internet are a great help to me, as I am thousands of miles from home right now, stuck in a hotel room in Niger. Thanks for your contributions!
  • ShiftPlusOneShiftPlusOne Veteran
    edited November 2010
    Yup, there are certainly cases where it may be the right thing to do.
  • edited January 2011

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  • edited January 2011
    IMO, I'm nearing middle age. Do not reply to the guy's emails. No big deal. Life goes on. Relationships end. Many of the people whom I was close to I'll never see again I didn't even realize that I'd never see them again (talking about college friends mostly). It's kind of sad when you think about it BUT it's not like the guy is full of despair and loneliness and in need of professional help. It's not cold. It's just what happens.

    FWIW: I have a little tear in my eye when I think back to the LAST time all of us (my group of co-ed friends) were together after college graduation. We were literally turning in our room keys and cars and cabs were packed for the airports and highways. I didn't even know what was happening! It happened: most of us lost touch exactly right then! SAD! :bawl: WOW! :( Everybody moved on.
  • edited January 2011
    Obviously everything I am about to say is my opinion and does not reflect the opinions of others, God or Buddha. No claim is made as to the accuracy or authenticity of the content of the post. ShiftPlusOne does not accept any liability to any person for the information or advice (or the use of such information or advice) which is provided on in this post or incorporated into it by reference. The information in this post is provided on the basis that all persons accessing the post undertake responsibility for assessing the relevance and accuracy of its content. May contain traces of nuts.
    lol! Has it come to this, Shift? Is this where we're at now, on this site? Thanks for the pick-me-up. ^_^

  • FWIW: I have a little tear in my eye when I think back to the LAST time all of us (my group of co-ed friends) were together after college graduation. We were literally turning in our room keys and cars and cabs were packed for the airports and highways. I didn't even know what was happening! It happened: most of us lost touch exactly right then! SAD! :bawl: WOW! :( Everybody moved on.
    This sounds heartbreaking, Roger! I and a few of my friends after college set up a couple of communal living situations, and continued to hang out together for years. And even when some people moved away, we continued to visit. Then, eventually, I think most of us evolved in different directions. It happens. Not that this has anything at all to do with the OP's question. But it's nice to see glimpses of people's hearts from time to time. :)

    Anyway, OP, leaving people behind is difficult. That old cliche, "Time heals all wounds" is true. Do whatever you feel you need; if it's asking him to stop writing, do so. Or get a new email address. Best of luck.
  • edited January 2011


    This sounds heartbreaking, Roger! I and a few of my friends after college set up a couple of communal living situations, and continued to hang out together for years. And even when some people moved away, we continued to visit. Then, eventually, I think most of us evolved in different directions. It happens. Not that this has anything at all to do with the OP's question. But it's nice to see glimpses of people's hearts from time to time. :)

    Yes c_w. Extremely poignant memory for me (and others I'm sure it's common "peak experience" so to speak). I can see glimpses that "saying-goodbye-moment" like a video in my head. Like you did, a few of my close friends kept in touch. But the other members of the neighboring suites in our dorm building whom we'd seen, known and taken for granted for four years: gone after that day. I suppose we could Google or Facebook them but it's obviously all different now. Aaaaaanyway.

    :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: Life ___is___ a trip! :thumbsup:
  • Your posts never cease to impress me, Roger. Where did you come from?
  • edited January 2011
    Your posts never cease to impress me, Roger. Where did you come from?
    You are too kind. The feeling is mutual. Many impressive posters here. Many of them you just read what they wrote and can't acknowledge the good impressions they make because there's so much to do. Me? I'm no big deal really. I'm trying to be funny and insightful but I know I have a lot to learn and it's serious trying to eliminate negative thinking and create some happiness for us all. Eventually I figure out I drank too much coffee (not THAT much :D ) and have to move on. Nice bunch of people here. Thank you again for your friendly regards. Anyway: :clap: :clap: :clap:
  • @globalnomad Sorry if I'm going to be a little harsh here, but if you "love" this guy, why did you hurt him by breaking off your friendship?

    What you have here is not a case of "letting go" - you can only let go someone who wants to be let go. What you have here is aversion, which is the other side of attachment and equally a cause of suffering. You are avoiding him because you can't handle your own emotions, so you have simply flipped from attachment and clinging, to aversion. Poor guy! He's probably wondering what he's done wrong!

    What you need to 'let go' here is not the friend, it is your jealousy and possessiveness. Good friends are precious and rare, so I hope you are able to repair your friendship.

    IMHO, I really think you should apologise to your friend and start working on rebuilding your friendship. Which will probably include befriending his girlfriend, or at least being nice to her.

    On a more positive note, I think this has been a good learning experience for you, and an excellent illustration of the difference between attachment 'love' and unattached 'metta' (loving kindness and compassion). Part of the path of the Dharma is learning to develop you compassion and loving kindness, without ego and 'self' holding you back; without worrying "I'll be hurt. I can't handle this" but considering others more than yourself (because they are many and you are only one).

    I sincerely hope this is not the end of your friendship, but if it is, learn from this. :)

  • Thank you all for your contributions to this discussion! I haven't read in here for a long while, and just by chance came across this post again and saw that it received a number of responses.
    I have taken this slowly, mostly trying to "let go" for myself and letting the other person be himself as well (which meant he continued to send a quick and superficial message once every few weeks, which I replied to on the same level or not at all). It did cause a good deal of pain for me, and it wasn't easy to let go on my end. I often found myself in the cycle of hope and fear again, as I didn't hear any mention of his girlfriend and was wondering...
    It became clear to me that he wanted to keep me somehow in his life, but on a rather superficial level, which was not enough for me with this person who meant so much more to me. I did finally say that I feel some space and letting go would be better for me, and he respected that.

    Ada_B, you do come across as a bit harsh. I don't see that I flipped to aversion. We "solved" this with a lot of mutual respect and understanding, and I support him in his endeavors. He is not a poor guy (nor am I a poor girl for this matter), and there is no need to apologize for anything. Not that I know too much about metta, but I think giving and taking some distance and space are sometimes the most loving actions to take. There is no virtue in staying in a superficial exchange for the sake of being in touch, when it causes pain to one person. I think of this person with love (yes!) and compassion, and I couldn't if I didn't have enough kindness toward myself to acknowledge when I cannot handle something...

  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    "I think giving and taking some distance and space are sometimes the most loving actions to take. There is no virtue in staying in a superficial exchange for the sake of being in touch, when it causes pain to one person. I think of this person with love (yes!) and compassion, and I couldn't if I didn't have enough kindness toward myself to acknowledge when I cannot handle something..."

    Thanks I've been on the other end and whether she feels this way or not its good to hear. Thanks.
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