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Help Requested! (Relating to negativity)

edited November 2010 in Buddhism Basics
Hello peoples :)

I was thinking this morning, about myself, and reasons for the way I am/feel. I guess its all tied into how people have treated me in the past, and people I have known etc. This is reffering to depressive thoughts, and general unhappiness. Do you guys have any ideas, of how I can 'let go' of these things, in order to help me move on, and progress further in life?

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  • AllbuddhaBoundAllbuddhaBound Veteran
    edited November 2010
    What if you allow yourself to be with these negative thoughts rather than trying to eradicate them? Stick with them and let them be just as they are. If you sit with them and befriend them, they can teach you a lot.
  • edited November 2010
    Well that sounds like a good idea, but ultimately, would it lead to me being able to let go of them? I have so much negativity with me currently, its shaped my 'self' into something id really rather not have to be any more.
  • fivebellsfivebells Veteran
    edited November 2010
    My experience is that yes, this approach will lead to some release of these beliefs.
  • edited November 2010
    OKay, well I suppose that sounds like a good idea, but i have come to realise that all of these past experiences, and negative emotions have shaped my 'self', to often be hateful, unpleasent, and most of the time, really depressed. I guess Im looking for a quick fix, which i assume is unrealistic. Ill work at it, thankyou ^^
  • thickpaperthickpaper Veteran
    edited November 2010
    meh_ wrote: »
    Hello peoples :)

    I was thinking this morning, about myself, and reasons for the way I am/feel. I guess its all tied into how people have treated me in the past, and people I have known etc. This is reffering to depressive thoughts, and general unhappiness. Do you guys have any ideas, of how I can 'let go' of these things, in order to help me move on, and progress further in life?

    I think the answer is in the title:)

    Negativity and its interdependence is Dukka, and I seem to remember a very great man one told of a path to get rid of that, but ultimately you have to help yourself!
    namaste
  • edited November 2010
    I wonder who that great man might be! Thanks, totally forgot about him ^^
    Too busy complaining about stuff...
  • thickpaperthickpaper Veteran
    edited November 2010
    meh_ wrote: »
    I wonder who that great man might be! Thanks, totally forgot about him ^^
    Too busy complaining about stuff...

    You know it;)

    Chuck-Norris.jpg
  • edited November 2010
    Yes of course, he can roundhouse kick dhukka away :D
  • AllbuddhaBoundAllbuddhaBound Veteran
    edited November 2010
    meh_ wrote: »
    Well that sounds like a good idea, but ultimately, would it lead to me being able to let go of them? I have so much negativity with me currently, its shaped my 'self' into something id really rather not have to be any more.

    The negativity stays with you even though you try to fight it. Why would that be?
  • edited November 2010
    I dont know?
    But how do you mean it stays with me, surely if you can trace the problems back, you can put them to rest?
  • thickpaperthickpaper Veteran
    edited November 2010
    meh_ wrote: »
    I dont know?
    But how do you mean it stays with me, surely if you can trace the problems back, you can put them to rest?

    You might want to see how the defilements emerge. Starting with ignorance, then aversion and greed and so on. If you wanted a crash course to reduce the Neg then this might be a palce to start. But without understanding the dharmic context of interdependent causation it will seem a bit "self-helpy":)

    You might find you take yourself and your problems too seriously, too;)

    Nothing posses importance.
  • FoibleFullFoibleFull Canada Veteran
    edited November 2010
    meh_ wrote: »
    Well that sounds like a good idea, but ultimately, would it lead to me being able to let go of them? I have so much negativity with me currently, its shaped my 'self' into something id really rather not have to be any more.

    Yes, it's really about that simple ... and that difficult!

    You see, you think of these thoughts as something that need to be "fixed". And this is actually what causes you to fixate on them. Acknowledge them, then let them go. They will come back. Acknowledge them, then let them go. It is a form of retraining. You stop rewarding the thoughts by latching onto them.

    If you are going to run any "story line", instead of going "Oh, this is so negative!", just remind yourself that this is part of the First Noble Truth ... it is a form of suffering, suffering exists, and the answer is not to expect that suffering will cease to exist, but instead to open up to everything and allow it to "be" without getting hooked by it.

    In psychology, when we are trying to eradicate a behavior by stopping the rewards, initially the behavior occurs at a greater rate than before .. this is called "the extinction response", so don't be alarmed if at first if seems to be "worse" than before. Just continue to let it be without attempting to do anything with it ... anything. Don't attend to it more than just to acknowledge it, don't try push it away. It will at some point (in behavior modification, usually about 2 weeks) start to diminish.

    In some ways, it is exactly like when you hurt yourself and the hurt lasts for days. You just put up with it ... The Buddha promised there'd be days like this!
  • edited November 2010
    meh_ wrote: »
    Hello peoples :)

    I was thinking this morning, about myself, and reasons for the way I am/feel. I guess its all tied into how people have treated me in the past, and people I have known etc. This is reffering to depressive thoughts, and general unhappiness. Do you guys have any ideas, of how I can 'let go' of these things, in order to help me move on, and progress further in life?

    What kind of depressive thoughts? Are they anger, sadness, lack of self confidence? Anxiety? Etc. Detail me and I can help you fully. :confused:

    Certain problems can be solved in certain ways. Not necessary taking a hammer and hammering what isn't a nail. Give me details, and I can help.
  • edited November 2010
    Thankyou Foil, and Fruit Punch!
    FruitPunchWizard:
    Yes: All of those.
    I expect to get them, given my age, but they are a lot more severe than I would expect, and Im pretty sure its down to past experiences that went undealt with, and have then been forgotten. In what ways can you help :) ? And what details do you require?
  • edited November 2010
    Well you don't want a flood of contemplation do you? :lol:

    Pick the most imminent problem, we can deal with them one-by-one.
  • edited November 2010
    Well i guess its all interlinked, with lack of self confidence tied to sadness, which in turn makes me angry at people, and the lack of self confidence makes me anxious etc.

    How about the sadness then?
  • edited November 2010
    Ask yourself: who am I really; what are all my negative qualities?

    Do these negative qualities mean I am the worst person in the world?

    How many people do I know in this world without any negative qualities?

    Can I expect myself to be perfect, without any faults?

    What are my positive qualities?

    What good things do my close friends say about me?

    What are some things I find important? (notice all these good things)

    What are some things I would want to do to make the world a better place?

    What qualities make a good person a good person?

    Notice all these wonderful ideals you have, and how they make you as a person. Respect yourself for it.

    Can I not at least help people, care about them, generate compassion?

    Does not everybody have good and bad qualities?

    Do I therefore have to vilify everybody in the human race for the mistakes of the few?

    Why do I have to judge so hard on myself for being human, with good and bad qualities?

    Can I forgive myself for all my negative qualities?

    Do I believe I can improve myself, or am I an absolutely hopeless case?

    I have my own inner wisdom and know what is good and bad. Therefore I can make my own decisions and handle my own problems.

    Even if my problems become too overwhelming, I can always decide to ask others for advice.

    Having self-confidence, I do not feel better than others, but I know I can do something by myself, and have the courage to follow my own inner wisdom.
  • edited November 2010
    Thankyou fruity, helpful as ever !
    I guess im very confused, and mentally knotted up at the moment, and it seems a bit difficult, but ill take a proper look at that, and try to put these things aside !
    :)
  • BarraBarra soto zennie wandering in a cloud in beautiful, bucolic Victoria BC, on the wacky left coast of Canada Veteran
    edited November 2010
    Excellent feedback from Foible and Fruit Punch - but I thought I'd just throw in an obvious bit of advice - start meditating regularly, preferably with a sangha.
    I started my meditation practice 5 or so years ago because I was getting sick and tired of negative thought patterns and also because I wanted to get a grip on the fact that I wasn't in a relationship and was obsessed with thoughts about wanting to be in one or what if I never got one. I found that by meditating regularly I learned to be in the present moment and to realize that it is sufficient.

    I note that you seem to want to figure out why things in your life got to be the way they are. You think that something in your upbringing might have contributed. It certainly is possible, and if you want to explore this through therapy, you will likely be able to find the roots. But consider the possibility that the past does not matter to the present or to the future. You have options about how to live in the present moment. or perhaps I should say - you have options about how to mentally frame the present moment. The more you try to focus on acceptance and gratitude, the more this habit of mind will replace the negativity.

    It isn't an instant fix, but I think it only took a year or so for my mindset to alter. I still occasionally have negative thoughts, but they don't last. I still sometimes feel lonely, but it passes.
  • edited November 2010
    don't forget compassion for yourself :)
  • edited November 2010
    Always have compassion for everybody. Metta begins with you.
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