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Could technology..

edited December 2010 in Buddhism Basics
...be a hinderance in daily life?

For example, over email, phone messaging, or forums (such as this ;)), people can ponder and take time to exactly plan out what they want to say- but in face to face contact, people could spout out nonsense that they regret, or can't think of a thing to say.

Now, with mindfulness applied, one could sit and think until they've reached an appropriate answer, but not everyone does that.

p.s. Technology does have its benefits, but everything has its ups and downs.

What do you think?

Namaste.
:cool:

Comments

  • edited December 2010
    Either one of these means of communication could be used mindfully or heedlessly. It simply depends on the choice or lack of choice of the person using the means of communication.
  • edited December 2010
    This is true- gossip seems more likely in person, I'd think.
    But I couldn't say.
  • CloudCloud Veteran
    edited December 2010
    It seems to be that there have been studies, news reports, and the like about this before... that indicate our reliance and increased usage of these forms of communication decreases face-to-face skill. It's only natural, and hardly even needs a study. If you don't do something often, don't have practice doing it, you'll likely be quite awkward. That wouldn't be true of everyone, but in general it would be a factor.
  • edited December 2010
    Ha, you don't say.
    I suppose I could see that as well- you get plenty of time to edit and rewrite and delete your 'mistakes,' if you will, and can say whatever you want that you feel fits best, and it may not even have been your own words.
    Golly gee.
  • edited December 2010
    Either one of these means of communication could be used mindfully or heedlessly. It simply depends on the choice or lack of choice of the person using the means of communication.

    I agree with this. Any tool can be used or misused.
  • edited December 2010
    Artemis wrote: »
    I agree with this. Any tool can be used or misused.


    Like power? Like the government? Like science? Like people?

    A help or a hinderance.
  • edited December 2010
    Bodhgaya wrote: »
    Ha, you don't say.
    I suppose I could see that as well- you get plenty of time to edit and rewrite and delete your 'mistakes,' if you will, and can say whatever you want that you feel fits best, and it may not even have been your own words.
    Golly gee.

    Well I still think its your own words.

    That is one reason why I truly enjoy communication over the internet. It can clarify communication in the sense that one has more time to plan out their response. In daily conversation, you can't always sit and think about how to appropriately respond so instead you spout out what first comes to your mind. Sometimes it is truly what you think, and other times you stop and go "Woah...why did I just say that?" Or "Oh crap...that's not really what I meant, I could have been more clear."

    Online discussions, especially via forums, give you the chance to really crystallize what you want to say. In fact whenever I post a message, I always reread it and consider if I am expressing myself clearly.

    After all, communication is the goal. We all have to deal with these letters, words and symbols as the mode for communicating our thoughts. If I could telepathically impart to you my understanding of a concept I would do it, but I can't, so I have to use words and symbols.

    If everybody just slowed down, even in daily speak, and considered how to properly communicate, there would be SO much less confusion in this world.

    Just to emphasize, I edited this post twice for grammatical corrections and clarity. :)
  • edited December 2010
    Well I still think its your own words.

    That is one reason why I truly enjoy communication over the internet. It can clarify communication in the sense that one has more time to plan out their response. In daily conversation, you can't always sit and think about how to appropriately respond so instead you spout out what first comes to your mind. Sometimes it is truly what you think, and other times you stop and go "Woah...why did I just say that?" Or "Oh crap...that's not really what I meant, I could have been more clear."

    Online discussions, especially via forums, give you the chance to really crystallize what you want to say. In fact whenever I post a message, I always reread it and consider if I am expressing myself clearly.

    After all, communication is the goal. We all have to deal with these letters, words and symbols as the mode for communicating our thoughts. If I could telepathically impart to you my understanding of a concept I would do it, but I can't, so I have to use words and symbols.

    If everybody just slowed down, even in daily speak, and considered how to properly communicate, there would be SO much less confusion in this world.

    Just to emphasize, I edited this post twice for grammatical corrections and clarity. :)


    I very much agree with you. It has its ups and downs. You can think out more of what you'd like to say, and it could come across exactly how you wanted it to, but other times, people could take offence or misunderstand, and that's usually (for me) what I would not like to do.
    You can't accurately envelop your tone and emotion into these little dots and codes that we see now, which is why if I said something here that could be offensive, since you're reading it however you think it be, it may not be through voice, since I can convey it with emotion, and it wouldn't be taken as harsh or what have you. But then again, we could intend something to not be harsh face to face, but the tone could throw it completely off.

    So, with perks come problems. But that's life- gotta love it. :D
  • edited December 2010
    Bodhgaya wrote: »
    You can't accurately envelop your tone and emotion into these little dots and codes that we see now, which is why if I said something here that could be offensive, since you're reading it however you think it be, it may not be through voice, since I can convey it with emotion, and it wouldn't be taken as harsh or what have you. But then again, we could intend something to not be harsh face to face, but the tone could throw it completely off.

    So, with perks come problems. But that's life- gotta love it. :D

    Yup, SO true. This is my main beef with text messaging. It is so easy to misinterpret someones emotional intent, e.g. tone. But that's what emoticons are for, right! :lol:

    But yeah I've had this conversation several times. Have you seen the movie Waking Life? There is a VERY good scene in that movie on this exact topic. I wonder if I can youtube it....
  • edited December 2010
    AH! Found it!

    EVERYONE WATCH THIS!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF5kgdWSmyw
  • edited December 2010
    Exactly- it happens to everyone. B)

    I have not, but I as well know of a scene that is somewhat relevant to this.

    Cowboy bebop, episode 23.
  • edited December 2010
    Mmm, I loves me some Cowboy bebop. Been a long time since I've seen it though.
  • edited December 2010
    Me too. Watched the movie not too long ago.
    Anime is really all I watch, I can't take human actors seriously anymore...
  • finding0finding0 Veteran
    edited December 2010
    personally my computer holds me back yet teaches me
  • edited December 2010
    I have to say, that's how I see most things as working out.
  • MountainsMountains Veteran
    edited December 2010
    Bodhgaya wrote: »
    ...be a hinderance in daily life?

    Yes. I should be studying right now :)
  • edited December 2010
    I agree, I should be doing artwork or studying.
    ho ho.
  • edited December 2010
    If it wasn't for forums, I wouldn't have improved my english skills and I wouldn't have discussed about many topics that usually aren't brought up in "real life".

    Technology doesn't bring about new problems. How people adapt to technology...that's how problems arise.
  • edited December 2010
    My problem with technology is that it's just so darned easy for me to start mindlessly surfing. My job involves being on a computer, and some days I realize I've spent literally all day (and sometimes all evening too!) just clicking here and there and not being mindful of any of it.

    If I'm online and am being mindful (having a conversation, researching something, etc), I'm happy. But I start to get restless/down if I do too much mindless monkey-mind surfing.
  • edited December 2010
    Play a videogame on the computer instead. That's what I used to do in my last job, where I also had to be in front of a computer all day. I'll promise you, you'll have to be much more mindful. :)
  • edited December 2010
    :lol: "But boss, I have to play this game; it's keeping me mentally astute!"
  • edited December 2010
    You're right about adapting. But it does cause problems as well- the development could require harmful things in it that cause cancer.......

    But people do cling to the ease and time waster that electronics provide.
    Now, books seem like a burden, because they're making that electronic book.
  • newtechnewtech Veteran
    edited December 2010
    Yes. When im on the computer i have a body,feelings,mind,mental qualities...but my sense of them its so shallow. I lose the "i"...can become very stressed but i dont know until i get out of the pc.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited December 2010
    I think you make a good point. Playing basketball might not entirely carry over to playing football. So training or practicing in one wouldn't entirely carry over. Still their are some skills common to both slow and fast communication to cross apply.

    I also wonder if talking its like someone throws a ball very fast to you and you catch it. Or you are playing tennis and a reflex and you crank a winner. But if you are thinking too much about your shot and getting tense you mess it up. Though good players are used to the patterns of shots that are strategic. Like chess by position (if you are familiar) rather than reasoning out all combinations of moves like Deep Blue computer.

    I realize that these are excessively competitive analogies and hopefully we can get to a level of dialogue that isn't (totally) competitive.
  • edited December 2010
    Jeffrey wrote: »
    I think you make a good point. Playing basketball might not entirely carry over to playing football. So training or practicing in one wouldn't entirely carry over. Still their are some skills common to both slow and fast communication to cross apply.

    I also wonder if talking its like someone throws a ball very fast to you and you catch it. Or you are playing tennis and a reflex and you crank a winner. But if you are thinking too much about your shot and getting tense you mess it up. Though good players are used to the patterns of shots that are strategic. Like chess by position (if you are familiar) rather than reasoning out all combinations of moves like Deep Blue computer.

    I realize that these are excessively competitive analogies and hopefully we can get to a level of dialogue that isn't (totally) competitive.


    This is true, when I get mentally tensed, I concentrate on my anger instead of what I'm doing. I know it doesn't help, but I do it anyway :wtf:

    At least I know though, so I can eventually just quit all together. But playing video games isn't such a good idea, I am competitive ...... :D
    all in good fun.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited December 2010
    I loooove good video games. I am hooked on sacred 2. haha
  • edited December 2010
    Jeffrey wrote: »
    I loooove good video games. I am hooked on sacred 2. haha


    Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood, Heavy Rain and Medal of Honor (more or less).

    :grin:
  • cazcaz Veteran United Kingdom Veteran
    edited December 2010
    Sometimes is far to distracting....
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