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handling physical feelings.

edited January 2011 in Buddhism Basics
What's a good way to approach feelings of pain, cold, etc?

Sometimes I shake greatly when I'm cold.

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  • Well, the best thing to do if you want to grow, as well as actually help with the feelings, is to simply observe the feelings. Notice it. Pay attention to it. See it as it is. Don't judge it, or say that it's good or bad or anything like that. It simply is. In this present moment, which is all that exists, these feelings are here and you are experiencing them. If you're experiencing them, there must be a purpose for you experiencing them. Each moment is perfect. This moment, too, is perfecct, and therefore there is nothing bad about this feeling. Perhaps I rambled. Simply observe without judging. That is all.
  • aHappyNihilistaHappyNihilist Veteran
    edited January 2011
    to feel them. kind of a cryptic answer but it is very helpful. feel them, acknowledge them as feelings. don't be cold, feel cold. don't be in pain, feel pain. feel them but don't be them. feelings are just sensations brought on by nerve endings, don't identify with them.

    also make sure your not having aversion toward the feelings. it is good to prefer not to be in pain, but if you are say, waiting out in the cold for the bus and you can't avoid the cold, just feel the cold, accept that it is there and exist above it.

    edit: yea TJ said it
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    shaking is an anatomical response to cold. Your system shakes in an effort to stimulate circulation and generate warmth. It's a natural response and not one that is easy to suppress....
    Grab a blanket, wear a hat and scarf, and ankle warmers.

    If your extremities get cold, then it's hard to feel warm.

    I've always been of the opinion it should be compulsory for humans to hybernate during cold winter months....
  • edited January 2011
    Thanks! I think I get it, with just feeling. Not completely focus and say 'my god, how cold!' And think how terrible it is. It's just cold, and I'll be warmer someday.

    Edit: haha, only the cold? What about blistering heats we seem to get? :p that global warming... ;)
  • Also, this may be off topic, or not.

    What about looks? I am pretty/I feel pretty, etc. What are the differences/similiarities?

    Thank you!
  • aHappyNihilistaHappyNihilist Veteran
    edited January 2011
    well it comes down to defining yourself. it is often said in buddhism that your "true self" should just be a description of what you are currently doing. we should think of ourselves as verbs, not nouns. when we started labeling ourselves, identifying with ourselves we create a concept of self and get attached to it. when you start saying I am pretty, you start creating things onto which you can attach. when you say i feel pretty or i look pretty you are just describing your appearance. you aren't giving yourself the feeling that you need to be pretty or you won't be you.

    this is the same as saying i am cold. you are identifying with the cold, you are in a sense becoming the cold. and when you are something you don't like you feel a strong aversion, which is a cause of suffering. if you just feel cold then well, that's not so bad its just a sensation.

    if you start saying i am pretty then you start attaching to that because it can't be separated from your concept of self. so if you lose it you feel deep pain, or if someone says you're not pretty you feel a deep pain as your self is damaged.

    saying that you ARE something creates attachment or aversion depending on whether you prefer it or not, these attachments and aversions cause pain.
  • edited January 2011
    Which is why they say we are our actions, right?

    Thanks, I've never heard this.

    So, if I'm cleaning, would I say, I am cleaning?
  • yes, when you do not define yourself you do not crave things you like and feel aversion toward what you dislike. because those things do not define you you can exist with them, they are a part of you but not all of you so losing them (or having them if they are things you dislike) is not painful, just like cutting your hair isn't painful.

    a story i heard was of a man who came to a monastery and asked a monk what his true self was. the monk was sweeping and he didn't answer. the guy went and complained to the abbot that the monk ignored him but the abbot said that no, the monk had answered as best he possibly could. he showed the man his true self, the sweeper.
  • aHappyNihilistaHappyNihilist Veteran
    edited January 2011
    Which is why they say we are our actions, right?

    Thanks, I've never heard this.

    So, if I'm cleaning, would I say, I am cleaning?
    yes, although this isn't perfectly true for someone who is not perfect in their mindfulness, they are always also some other thing, some other thought. but it is something we shoot for.

    a helpful image is the "river of being." a river is something identifiable as a unit, but every second all of it is changing. the drops of water are different drops of water. the swells are different, the individual ripples aren't the exact same. no part of the river is actually the same, but we still see it as the same river. over time more drastic changes come, the river may change shape or flood, we still think of it as the same river although it is utterly changed.

    the self is constantly changing, even the body, every seven years we are made up of entirely different cells. no part of you is the same as before
    (well this isn't entirely true in some tissues but you get the idea.)
  • So, if I were cleaning, but thinking of other things or wanting to do something else, I am not really cleaning.

    True mindfulness is doing things wholely, without letting yourself be distracted, right?
  • aHappyNihilistaHappyNihilist Veteran
    edited January 2011
    yes that is a part of it. also being fully aware of the feelings in you, being aware of your mood. mindfulness isn't going around with an empty mind, rather it is being fully aware of all of your senses and all of your thoughts, letting them all coexist within you without any craving or aversion. you are not any one of these things, you are all of them.

    your action still does not fully define you but it is the best description you could possibly give of who you really are.

    on another note i really like these little things you can say to yourself that help you understand Buddhist teachings at a deeper level. whenever i'm feeling happy/sad/suffering etc. i always say i'm feeling ____ and whenever i'm doing something i always say to myself i'm doing ____ and whenever i want or don't want something i always say i'd like ____ or i wouldn't like ____. it's a little trick that helps you keep from identifying with things as this invariably causes attachment or aversion.
  • Ah. Yes. But I thought feelings actually weren't 'us'.

    But I do get it, being aware, not letting the thought dominate what you see or do, controlling it. People go through the day in a daze nearly, focusing on the past or future. I read it in a book called Happiness.
  • the feelings aren't actually us, we are just feeling the feelings, doing the action, thinking the thought etc. what we really "are" is a combination of all of these things.
    the main point is that what you "are" is what you "are" at the present moment.
  • I think I understand, so I won't explain it since you're the one telling me.

    Thank you very much!
  • it's good to put things into your own words just trying to make sure you got it
  • No problem. I feel you mean, that at the exact moment, whatever you're feeling, doing, that is you. And everything around you is you. In the sense of we are composed of everything, and vice versa.
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