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How can a person harness there chi?

edited December 2005 in Buddhism Basics
I just wanted to know if ther eis a way of training the body or something so a person could harness there chi and use it.

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  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited November 2005
    Absolutely!!
    I teach a placid Martial Art called Qi Gong (pronounced generally as Chee gung) which literally translated means Energy (Qi) Work (Gong). This discipline teaches the student posture, breathing but chiefly, how to harmonise and channel the Qi and to develop sensitivity throughout the body. It slows the breathing, regulates the circulation, harmonises the heartbeat and calms the Spirit. It is an excellent form of exercise, and the great motto is that 'In doing Nothing,you achieve Everything.' An awful lot of the discipline involves simply standing still.... but in a specific posture, which liberates all the joints and opens all the Energy Channels, or Meridians, to ease the flow of Qi.....

    tai Chi does the same, but is slightly more animated, in that there is a definitive series of movements.

    Hope this answers your question- !
  • edited November 2005
    I just wanted to know if ther eis a way of training the body or something so a person could harness there chi and use it.


    In fact you use it all the time. If you didn't you wouldn't be alive, but oriental martial arts and meditation are usually the best combination if you have a particular interest in this. I'm curious as to what you mean by "use it" though.
  • kinleekinlee Veteran
    edited December 2005
    Tai Chi
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited December 2005
    I've never seen it.

    I've never experienced it.

    I've never even seen it work when I was supposedly told I was using it.

    I've never heard of someone having the chi/ki removed and then dying - or that they wouldn't be able to live without it.

    I've seen videos and read reports of supposed "qi-gong" masters performing feats with their harnessed qi-gong - which all have turned out to be farces. Not just that it couldn't be measured - but that it was actually a slight of hand hoax.

    But, then, what do I know?

    -bf
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited December 2005
    I take all your points on board, BF, but I on the other hand have felt Qi flowing through my body; I have pupils who have remained astonished at certain things they manifested physically, simply by focussing and doing the 'standing still' exercises I guided them through.... I have 'felt' Qi and been pushed over without being touched.... I know it can manifest, I have felt it and it's really quite a weird and indescribeable sensation....

    Two women, both pupils in my class (they had been coming for three weeks) said that in all the time they had been practising Tai Chi they had never felt the way they felt with Qi Gong. They had been doing it for 9 years.

    It's down to the Teacher to guide and instruct the pupils on how to open their meridians and Access Points. And it's not sometthing unique or specialised... with the right teaching, guidance and instruction, everyone and anyone can do it. But it takes time; patience, persistence perseverance and Min-less concentration....
    You know what they say about trying 'tooooo' hard.
    Incidentally, I have given Nick a Shiatsu-based, "hands-off" massage - just 'moving his Qi' - and he is one of the most realistic, down-to-earth people I know. He doesn't stand nonsense from anyone. And he knows he can feel the Qi being stimulated and moved.
  • edited December 2005
    I did a similar thing with one of my friends when she hurt her shoulder. I gave her a normal Reiki treatment and then when I got to her shoulder I just hovered my hands until they rested on her energy field (go with me on this one !) and then massaged it. She said it felt like I was giving her a deep tissue massage even though I wasn't actually making any physical contact with her.
    Either way it seemed to help her which was the main thing !
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited December 2005
    I have seen something (whether ch'i or not, I do not know) during an acupuncture session: a bright line running along the meridian being treated!
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited December 2005
    That's fine, Fede.

    I'm not discounting what you believe or what you have experienced.

    It was just a different perspective juxtaposing the "Absolutely it exists" comment.

    I have never seen it or seen/experienced it in a way that you could say, "Yes, this definitely exists" - and therefore, through my evaluation and experience, it does not exist.

    So, it's up for each person to come to their conclusion regarding it.

    Plus, I don't think that was Nick's chi that he was feeling. I think it was just trapped gas.

    -bf
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited December 2005
    .....In his elbow......? :lol:
  • edited December 2005
    I just wanted to know if ther eis a way of training the body or something so a person could harness there chi and use it.

    Training and lots of it.

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  • edited December 2005
    Buddhafoot, I can understand and to some extent agree with your standpoint on this. I think the problem is that Chi gets turned into something otherwordly and twighlightzoneish when in fact it's simply energy, simply being alive. If you're alive, you have chi. The stuff about doing strange things with it though is another matter that I tend to be sceptical about.
  • angulimalaangulimala Veteran
    edited December 2005
    wheeew, at last i can break through the qi that blocked me posting here.
    i want to share my experience with qi gong practitioner.
    some time ago, a qi gong healer came to our clinic (i'm an acupuncturist),he demonstrated qi gong healing to one of my colleague.after making some movement like you saw in the gong fu movies, he touched my colleague palm and we could hear a cracking sound like the sound of taser gun.my colleague said that her hand felt like being electric shocked.another colleague said that she saw spark when the practitioner finger touched the palm.
    i dont know it was a hoax or not, but i cant see any wire on this qi gong practitioner,and he wore short sleeves too.
    but unfortunately, this man is too business minded,so we dont have any contact anymore with him
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited December 2005
    I'm with ZM-Genryu here; There is nothing remotely magical, mystical mysterious or 'hidden' about Qi. it is a natural phenomenon, and referred to in different ways, according to the culture referring to it - for example, in Yoga, it's referred to as Prana....
    I have felt its effects both in my own body, and as applied to me by someone else, and as applied 'from' me to others. but it is just 'Enegy'.... Mostly we have it like milk in our system. others can feel the cream....!

    Sorrry 'bout that.... just trying to draw an analogy....!:rolleyes: :winkc:
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited December 2005
    I used to think it was a load of old cobblers until I started having acupuncture and realised that I can tell if the needle is in the tsubo or just off-centre. There is definitely something there/
  • edited December 2005
    Acupuncture is excellent stuff.
  • edited December 2005
    Our desire to see chi as something bigger than what it really is only adds to the continual grasping and reaching which leads to more suffering. Chi is actually very simple. There is nothing special about it at all. If we could only see this, our practice and concept of what chi is will be very special indeed!
    Mike
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited December 2005
    I've been able to reconcile chi/ki as either:

    Centerness or
    Energy.

    Centerness being: when someone teaches about your chi lurking behind your belly button - it's the center of you as a whole. Center, support and ground that chi/ki and it's hard to do things like knock you over.
    During my time in jujitsu - taking someone elses chi/ki and using against them basically meant, taking the force that they have generated, either through their legs or arms, redirect it - and use it against them.

    So, that's how I recognize chi/ki - and it works for me.

    -bf
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited December 2005
    Centerness being: when someone teaches about your chi lurking behind your belly button - it's the center of you as a whole. Center, support and ground that chi/ki and it's hard to do things like knock you over.

    Exactly.... you channel and "condense" your Qi and ground yourself, to stabilise and root your Qi..... In Qi Gong, we call this "Anchoring to the Earth's Core"....

    During my time in jujitsu - taking someone elses chi/ki and using against them basically meant, taking the force that they have generated, either through their legs or arms, redirect it - and use it against them.

    This term also exists: "Countering the strength of the Tiger with the flap of the Butterfly's wing."

    For the first, we visualise the Yang energy of the Universe (the stars, the sun, the moon, the skies) all condensing into one ray or beam of 'light', and entering the summit of the skull, at a point called the 'Ba Hui' or 'the Point of 100 Meetings'. It is also known as 'The 9 palaces of Qi', because this point is surrounded by the four cardinal points of the compass, as well as the four intersecting points.... hence the 9 palaces.....

    The Energy continues its' downward trajectory through the body, but permeates and touches every single other part too, right down to the smallest cell.... it passes through the Heart, the Diaphragm, and intersects the TanDien, or Hara... the 'Home' or 'Cradle' of Qi, between the Kidneys, embraced by the pelvis.... it 'exits the body at the Hui Yin (central point of the perineum) and continues, centrally, until it penetrates the earth between our feet.... But fronds, or infinitessimal branches of this beam of Energy, have passed down the legs, and exit the body at the Yong Quan, or Bubbling Spring' points on the soles of the feet. Also known as Kidney Point 1, this is our primary and constant connection to the Earth's Yin Energy. When we connect with these two points, we are said to be 'rooted' or Well-Grounded'.
    The central beam continues its journey, until it penetrates and attaches itself to the central molten core of the earth - The Yang within the Yin..... we then draw up this energy, until we have two way traffic.... yang transforming into Yin as it travels down, and through the Yin to the yang centre of the earth.... the yang there travelling up again, transforming into Yin on its way up....and finally, Yin transforming into Yang, as it rises up through the body to exit once again at the Ba Hui, and explodes like a geyser to rejoin the exultant Energy of our Universe!

    Fun, eh?

    Having rooted, grounded and 'centred' the Qi, now you can kick ass with no effort at all - !!:bigclap:
    .
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited December 2005
    Yes, but physics explain this also, in less mystic terms.

    Lowering the center of gravity: It's much easier to roll over a bus or SUV than it is to roll over a Ford GT - because their center of gravity is lower to the ground and their mass is spread out over an area. Does a Ford GT have chi then?

    Mass * Speed: We also know that it take a given amount of force to stop an amount of mass*speed. We also know how even if force is acted upon by an outside force, this collision will have certain effects (ie. "acts upon" something of smaller mass travelling at the same rate as something travelling as the same rate with more mass and colliding) of mass and velocity.

    So, in aikido or jujitsu, if someone is charging at you - and you can evade their attack - you have all of their momentum with which you can:

    a) use against them to propel them off balance or
    b) redirect their momentum to break either a wrist, arm or leg.

    I still can't see this as something other than just simle physics. Unless "chi" is an Asian word for "physics". I guess I just get lost in all the descriptions of this flowing over here and then over there and then coming out our rear and going into the Earth and then down to it's molten core and then sending up more "go juice" for us to use - and none of this can be proven. It's all hearsay. While with physics, it's very simply shown and explained.

    -bf
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited December 2005
    Ok, that's fine..... I'm happy if you're happy..... :)
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited December 2005
    federica wrote:
    Ok, that's fine..... I'm happy if you're happy..... :)

    No... let's keep bantering about this. There's still some meat on this dead horse :)

    -bf
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited December 2005
    Dead horse....?
    That would be an empty Chi-Gee......:p
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