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Destiny?
I'm not sure where this belongs, I was going to post it in the "lounge" however, I thought it might qualify as a 'heady' discussion 
Feel free to move if need be, I won't be offended.
I'm just curious, on a personal level, or within your beliefs, if you think there is such a thing as destiny. You hear people use the term kind of loosely sometimes; a certain job or position (generally one that is noble/honorable and not just a hum-drum everyday activity, although I would say it still applies) is their 'destiny' because they are very good at it, etc or perhaps people say that you meet someone and that you were 'destined to be together' and everybody has someone like that, supposedly.
I'm just wondering if people around here think or believe there is such a thing as destiny when it comes to your future, career, or personal life. I'm not sure what to think, the idea is kind of interesting but I'd have to say I don't like the idea of it because it then makes your life like a 'path' that you cannot deviate from and that you will infact be destined to be a certain way or do certain things because you aren't in control.
Feel free to move if need be, I won't be offended.I'm just curious, on a personal level, or within your beliefs, if you think there is such a thing as destiny. You hear people use the term kind of loosely sometimes; a certain job or position (generally one that is noble/honorable and not just a hum-drum everyday activity, although I would say it still applies) is their 'destiny' because they are very good at it, etc or perhaps people say that you meet someone and that you were 'destined to be together' and everybody has someone like that, supposedly.
I'm just wondering if people around here think or believe there is such a thing as destiny when it comes to your future, career, or personal life. I'm not sure what to think, the idea is kind of interesting but I'd have to say I don't like the idea of it because it then makes your life like a 'path' that you cannot deviate from and that you will infact be destined to be a certain way or do certain things because you aren't in control.
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A destiny would imply something controlling the future. There are two ways I see that level of control possible:
- a divine opmnipotent and omniscient being
- a supreme law of physics that can be used to predict all future occurences
I'm not sure which seems less likely to me.
If there is a supreme law, we're a long, long, long way from figuring it out. The more scientists learn about the universe, the more they seem to be doubting the existence of such a law. Personally (with my vast scientific knowledge, of course...), I highly doubt it exists.
The omniscient/omnipotent being bit becomes a contradition. If the being knows everything that will ever happen (which it must to be omnipotent), then how can it change it? If it knows A will happen, it can't cause B to happen or it was wrong about A. Therefore, it's theoretically impossible for an entity to be both omnipotent and omniscient at the same time.
Soooo... no, no destiny.
Eveyone of us must have hope and dream. They are the driving froce within. And, destinations are only the accomplishments, resulting from holding onto those hopes and from carry on those dreams. Once they are there, destiny, in the content of hopes and dreams, is what they want talking about. Part of such talking is to express his/her greatness, which is a human nature to do so, to others. Perhaps, the whole comversation of destiny is to share his/her happiness and to give encouragement to others.
Now, I must ask. Do you have faith in your believe? If you do, you must carry on and, perhaps, you may destine to meet with your destination.
From that wonderful movie Dogma: "I just think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier. People die for it, people kill for it."
Speaking of Kevin Smith, I'll just throw this one in for fun too: "It's not about who's right or wrong. No denomination has nailed it yet. Because they're all too self-righteous to realize it doesn't matter what you have faith in, just that you have faith. Your hearts are in the right place, but your brain's got to wake up."
Hope and dreams do not come from just seeing, thinking, or, perhaps, squeezing your brain dry. It is something that come to you when you wake up in the morning. All the sudden, you know you must carry on. You know that this is what you want to earn in life, not what you want to keep thinking for the rest of your life.
Perhaps, hope and dream are the "your" visualization of your predetermined destiny, goal, that you have longed for. NO?
If you really want to think about it, you could theoretically say that every single thing that happens is destined to happen. Without delving too much into semantics, every single moment is destined to happen. It happened, didn't it? So to say that a certain event or meeting or relationship is "Destiny" is to say "it must happen", and it DID happen, so..... This applies to every single event at every single moment in the universe.
I put this another way. Every single thing that has ever happened to me, every person I've met, every step I've ever taken, every decision I've ever made, have all led me to this exact moment, to this exact position in the world.
Destiny is just another concept to comfort us, when we seek answers to things that we don't understand.
I think I'm most content casting away all types of religion and spirtuality. It seems it can serve as no more than a barrier to the things that I really need to and want to accomplish in life.
i like to believe i am in control of my destiny/fate
but a again due to past karma ,i think it is
influence with what good and bad things we encounter in our path.
but possibly our outcome or goal is them same.
just smoother or rougher accordingly.
we choose lifestyles and goals
we either accomplish them or not
free will
not fate.
now that i used the term free will, i was thinking how do you have free will but believe in fate?
from as christian point of veiw?
Do we travel the path we are on because we are predestined to travel it? or do we travel a path filled with free will that after each decision and encounter shapes our path to what it becomes in the future? Without the past experiences and influences, none of us would be the people we are today. We grow as we journey and that growth brings us to where we are.
I don't think that it is too far of a stretch to go from the belief that there are inherent truths and a balance of negative and positive in this life, to the belief that with that comes a loosely set path by which we follow and develop on our journey to enlightenment.
Okay, here's the disclaimer, that being said...I do not think that we should rely on what we believe to be fate and destiny to guide us, but that we should follow the sense within ourselves to help guide us to the place and circumstances in our lives that we feel is right for us.
In Buddhism, it is advised that it's not a good idea to get stuck in pondering the unponderable. Buddha himself avoided answering questions like "Does God exist?" "IS there an afterlife?" "Will George the Horse win the 4.30 derby on saturday" (sorry!) not because he didn't know, but because it was a waste of time trying to answer definitively.
Sometimes, the classic Gallic shrug is the best answer anyone can give......
"A little Respect, a little Reverence, for the things we cannot see."
The last verse goes:
(Note for the young: the 'glass' is a barometer)