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Anyone ever been to Papua New Guinea?

CloudCloud Veteran
edited March 2011 in General Banter
Might be heading that way, might not. Have read up on it, but was wondering if anyone has personal experience to share?

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  • my parents have been there and i had relatives that were missionaries there, ill check into it and get back to you, are you planning to visit or live there, i personally think you might want a guide, probably christian to show you around as it can be a rough country for foreigners, i think
  • CloudCloud Veteran
    Might possibly be looking at a job there, would be missionary work. Lot of Christians in New Guinea, but also a lot of different languages...
  • edited March 2011
    i think a lot of the christian schools teach in english, there is a common new guinea language too almost everyone understands, i think its called pidgin english or something, i believe, cloud check out my blog in the write a book thread; i posted a link to. id really appreciate your opinion, if you have the time sincerely lyndon john
  • CloudCloud Veteran
    Blog? What's on the blog? :)
  • edited March 2011
    when i was working as a unappointed guest moderator on a violin topic forum, i started a historical novel where i, all fantasy, was a very influential world leader type sort of like the buddha or jesus, and devised a plan (not fantasy) to revolutionize the US and world economy by taxing bad things heavily to pay for some free food, dormitory style lodging, and basic medical for everyone, rich or poor,

    the idea is if we are all created equal as the US constitution states, shouldn't everyone be guaranteed food, a place to live, and basic medical care, as well as things we also have already for free such as police, fire, and education etc. The beauty of the plan is that its not socialism, that only gives free stuff to the poor, but "lyndonism" as I call it in the novel were the free services are available to everyone,

    but the rich and upper middle class won't use so much of it because they want more expensive nicer food, lodging and medical care,(making the plan affordable) but even a rich person if they are incredibly thrifty, like many millionaires are, can take advantage of the free stuff and put the money they save into their business, and as a big concession to the right wing, the elimination eventually of income taxes and their replacement by a goods tax or VAT principally on items that the people and elected official decide are bad for people, the country or the environment.

    The taxes to pay for all this would be on things like cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, even salt maybe, gas guzzlers, possibly luxuries like cable movie channels, expensive designer clothes and cosmetics, things bad for the environment like plastics, pollutants etc.

    my revolutionary philosophy is introduced in the form of a totally ficticious trade war with china related to violins, my job, which is still not that hard to understand if you know nothing about violins. i think its well researched and quite funny, at least to me, like i said on the other thread i was a bit more christian and less buddhist when i wrote this than i am now, but the basic premise is, if the buddha or jesus was the president of the united states, how would he run the government, if that interests you check it out, if you have comments you can post them on the blog or PM me, sorry to go off topic on your thread, cloud, sincerely lyndon john

    heres the link http://trickleupeconomictheory.blogspot.com/


  • CloudCloud Veteran
    edited March 2011
    Interesting. Well now that you've told me everything I don't have to read it! hahaha. :) Maybe when I get some more time, I'm multitasking as it is with this forum and other stuff. No problem about it going off topic, I didn't figure a lot of people would have experience with New Guinea anyway!
  • actually i was kinda rushed writing this, if you go to the blog, and scroll down to the bottom of chapter one, you skip the novel and read the non fiction part which i explain a little better than here.

    i'm from australia, my mother was born in tonga, and my cousins uncles and aunts lived in new guinea, and india, raised seventh day adventist most of my family were missionaries or ministers in the church, you can imagine what it may have been like to come home and tell my parents i was a buddhist, but eventually they came around and gave me permission, and attended the ceremony were i became a therevada monk, albeit briefly, for only three weeks!

    when i call myself former monk john, the emphasis is on former. thanks cloud, i really appreciated your positive comments on my good buddhist is a good christian thread.
  • CloudCloud Veteran
    No problemo, I'm happy to help when/how I can.
  • back to the OP, ive been told New guinea can be pretty scary if you don't stick to the christian communities, i mean supposedly they still might have head hunters and things like that. sincerely John
  • CloudCloud Veteran
    edited March 2011
    Well I figure it's just like Australia... don't go too far away from what civilization there is, or you end up in tribal territory. I'm not even sure if I'm going, but the possibility came up since an old (work) friend is going to be doing some administration work for a missionary type organization and expressed that they wish I was going with them (or at least visiting to see if I'd like to do that kinda work, which I probably would if it's helping people).

    I don't even mind that it would be Christian missionary work, though I don't have any particular Christian beliefs. My friend knows this too. Brings a smile to my face. :)
  • id take dingoes and kangaroos in the outback any day over headhunters in the jungle. but seriously these stories about new guinea are from the 80s, it may not be like that now
  • CloudCloud Veteran
    edited March 2011
    Oh tribal stuff doesn't change a lot in 30 years I don't think, I'm sure there's still dangerous parts of New Guinea just like there are still dangerous parts of Australia... will keep it in mind in either case, be prepared ya know. ;)
  • but seriously the dangerous part of australia are the huge deserts were nobody lives, the rest of it no more dangerous than white supremecists in the mountains of the US!!
  • CloudCloud Veteran
    I'm sure I can get along with people, if not they can feel free to eat me. It all goes to the same place. I would like to learn how to survive harsh desert conditions, live in the wild and stuff, if I ever found someone to teach me. Otherwise I'd probably be sticking around wherever the work was and not wandering too far afield.
  • you might find the majority, very fundamentalist christian, in a very simplistic way, i mean Mormans, SDAs, jehovahs witnesses are the big ones in Australasia and polynesia, and catholic, i think, kinda out there stuff, have you considered visiting or living in a buddhist country or india, if you really want to help people it might be easier there, just my opinion.
  • CloudCloud Veteran
    edited March 2011
    I don't think it really matters where, as long as I'm helping people, and this possibility is stronger than me somehow making it in India by myself. Besides, if I someday "get enlightened" I could teach Buddhism in New Guinea, for those few who'd want to learn. HA! :) I just really don't mind what I'm doing, besides my friend is an awesome administrator, a lot of real good could be done.

    I'd love to do something "Buddhist", like becoming a monk or something, but there's a lot of steps involved that I'm just not sure about at this point. In the USA it's rather complicated, usually requires so much time doing this, so much time doing that, self-sufficiency for so much time, and then finally ordination... and I don't live close enough to any monasteries to be able to start anything and still be doing what I'm doing. It'd have to be a "done deal" that I could just get in and go, leaving this life behind.
  • edited March 2011
    you can always be a monk out of robes and keep the 8 precepts, etc, i don't think getting enlightened should be a goal, that either happens or it don't, you now what i mean, its not something you can push, i think some non enlightened are just as happy as enlightened, i think enlightenment involves a lot of sorta psychic stuff, i mean actually seeing the true nature of something involves some kind of 6th sense or telepathy, there is no doubt i have met monks who were reading my mind, i don't really want to do that, i have before and it always propelled me into some kind of nervous breakdown and psychiatric hospitalisation.

    i really don't think anyone should feel bad about not being enlightened, and never think, i won't be happy until im enlightened, the dalai lama says he's not enlightened, and that's good enough for me.... however the other day in a meditative state, i heard a voice say, "you will reach enlightenment(someday), and pass on to the next realm"(at death) this made me feel really good. i very rarely here voices speak to me in the mind but three years ago i almost passed out from smoking pot and heard the same clear voice, i call it the tao, say "quit smoking pot" it wasn't easy, but i stopped immediately and never looked back, these voices can be spot on.
  • CloudCloud Veteran
    edited March 2011
    I feel at peace enough as it is for the most part, certainly not going to "strive" toward enlightenment (it's enough just to pay attention), but what I'd like is to be able to learn Buddhism as it's taught through a tradition (by a teacher, not just texts), as one complete package. It's not a need, just a want, and so probably won't happen. :) Maybe Zen or Thai Forest, something simple and dedicated primarily to practice and direct insight. Nothin' fancy.

    I think just living in accordance with the Noble Eightfold Path (and precepts etc.) is enough, one needn't struggle or strive toward enlightenment as some goal. That striving actually works against you. If it comes, it comes. If not, you're still living a good life of non-harm!
  • i can most certainly reccomend learning through the southeast asian immigrant community at temples all over the world, i highly recommend going to temples primarily attended by people from asia, not ones with one asian monk with almost all western followers, i tried both paths and got far more from the immigrant tradition which in my case was therevada, but that's not the important part, a mahayana temple in nepal should be just as meaningful, or a japanese temple in little tokyo.
  • CloudCloud Veteran
    edited March 2011
    I'm not too worried, and don't want to get attached to the idea of going to any specific monastery since I don't know what tomorrow will bring. I've at least accepted things as they are, accepted that death is inevitable and no more frightening than birth, and where the wind blows me there I'll be. Maybe New Guinea. Maybe not. ;) I have the temperament of a cancer patient who knows and finally accepts that they're going to die. It's a beautiful thing, I wouldn't trade it.

    Thank you for all your help and suggestions @John.
  • i think death is kinda like going under for major surgery, you know youre probably going to wake up next life and be just fine, but its a little scary going under as theres that small possibility that you don't wake up and death is just the end.

    this has been great, cloud, imagine people looking at the number of posts in this thread and saying,"whats going on in Papua new guinea!!!"
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    Cargo cults, Cloud. Lots of magical thinking. Huge ceremonial give-aways. I'm sure you can find plenty of info on it on the internet or on Amazon.
  • CloudCloud Veteran
    edited March 2011
    Sounds like fun @Dakini. My life's boring, or something. :) I can see myself dancing around a fire at a tribal ceremony... hehehe.
  • i can just picture you, body painted, wearing a grass skirt, a bone through your nose, cloud maybe you should make that your profile picture (joke)
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